Reconciling Science and Christianity?

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It's been said that truth can be stranger than fiction.

This unusual thread may be proof that old saying is true.

Rather than going into detail of how this complex true story came about, I'm going to just highlight the pertinent facts of how my project came to be.

1971, I'm 12 years old, raised in a large family of ten kids by very strict Mormon parents who don't fool around in terms of discipline, the belt is applied to the butts of wayward sons quite liberally.

The Vietnam war is raging at that time on every news channel. My older brother is of draft age and pro-war red white and blue, communism can't be allowed to spread. He was vehemently arguing that view of the war with my father in the family living room that day as I watched them paying close attention as the argument between them grew more heated.

My father was a devout Mormon, but totally anti-war, saying the war only benefitted politicians, generals and arms manufacturers. That the people of Asia or any other country had a perfect right to live and run their countries any way they wanted to. That the US should lead by example, not coercion at the barrel of a gun.

My father's calm demeanor as he cooly argued his point of view with my older brother that day only served to infuriate him to the point that he started yelling at my father with veins bulging before running out the front door, hopping in his Camaro and burning rubber down to the nearest armed forces recruiting depot, and signing up in the USAF, into which he was promptly accepted.

After my brother left the house in a huff that day, my father calmly asked me to turn on the TV so he could watch the day's news as he always did. As I watched the news with him that day, it depicted a South Vietnamese officer putting a gun to the head of a North Vietnamese prisoner and blowing his brains out, right on our TV set.

The combination of my brother's heated argument with my dad, and the war execution I had just seen on TV had an overwhelming emotional affect on me as I quietly slid out of the house that day so my father wouldn't see my tears and think me unmanly.

Once away from the house I began running until I reached an open field, where I fell to the dirt on my stomach sobbing. I was totally conflicted between love of my brother and his loyalty to our govt's view of the war, and my father's calm wise Christ-like view of the war, peace, forgiveness and turning the other cheek upon violence. So as a twelve year old innocent virgin child, I made my first totally sincere prayer to God that day lying on my belly in the dust of that deserted field. I swore I'd devote my whole life to finding a way to bring peace to this world, stop these wars between people, fathers and sons, if only He'd give me just a little guidance, a clue as to how such a feat might be accomplished. I said that I knew He only helped those of us with the gumption to help themselves, and that I would do my very best if only He'd give me a clue, amen.

Admittedly it was a rather pathetic naive prayer by a genuinely sincere conflicted child, but it stuck with me and I didn't forget it. It became rather a fantasy game inside my mind as to how I could make good upon my childhood prayer that day in 1971.

Years flew by. My brother became a Korean interpreter for the USAF, stationed in Okinawa and other points around the world. He served his country, did his duty and time, was duly and honorably discharged. But he'd changed his views on the war during that time served, and now believed my dad had been far closer to the truth about the war than he had when he joined up that day in 71.

Upon his discharge he joined myself and four other brothers in the tree service company I had founded in 1973 after trimming a palm in our frontyard successfully with a limblopper and a dirtbike tiedown strap through my levi's belt loops to hold me in the tree. When nearby neighbors asked if I'd also do their palm trees, I soon had older brothers with driver's licenses and trucks join me to share in the fun and cash profits.

But soon the split to the older brothers became far larger than that of the younger brothers, the youngest being me, and the brotherly company fractured apart in 1977. Two brothers went to LA and started their own tree company, two found regular jobs, the airforce brother who we'd discovered was a homosexual since his service stint, naturally went to San Francisco and got a regular job.

That left me, one truck, chainsaws and climbing gear, to found another new tree company which I named Shire Tree Service after the Tolkien Trilogy I'd just finished reading.

Hiring childhood friends to help me, I did well enough to buy an extremely powerful streetbike called a KZ900 Kawasaki to get around on giving tree estimates. Though now 18 years old, I still specialized in palm tree trimming and removal almost exclusively.

Little known to me at the time, God was about to enter my life in a subtle but firm manner. Fortunately I was wearing a full coverage Bell helmet when a 17 year old girl turned left in front me in a Cougar RX7 and I hit her head on doing 45-50 mph on my KZ900, flew over the whole mess landing very far away on my head and back with both my legs shattered from leaving the bike and bending the handlebars upward into bull's horns and ripping the handle grips and throttle assembly off the bike. The girl was fine, I was a mess, but alive on my back over 100 feet beyong the point of impact, in almost perfectly straight line from my bike, stuck quite firmly into the XR7's grill and radiator with my bike's rear wheel off the ground, and its engine torn from its mounts rearwards.

Months later with my leg casts off, but still hobbling about with a cane, I was in bed with my girlfriend, with her on top because of my legs, making love, when her phone rang in her bedroom. Reaching over me she answered it, then giggled as she handed it to me mouthing "it's your mother". Mum was calling me to ask if I was recovered enough to fly up to Frisco and take over my brother's job while he took an electronics course in Chicago for a month? I hesitated because of my brother's homosexuality, but when mum chastized me about getting off my butt and doing something useful rather than spending so much idle time with my girlfriend, I agreed to do it, hung up the phone, and reveled a little longer in the idle time I had left to me.

So it was off to San Francisco on my first jet ride, and an event that would change my whole life, and give me the means to keep my promise to God in 1971.

(No posts please until after my next chapter)

Jomoco
 
Seriously guys, please hold off on commenting on my thread here until my unusual true story is complete.

My older USAF brother is one of those homosexuals that hides his affliction well. You'd never guess he was gay without knowing him very well. Highly intelligent, extremely organized, meticulously neat, well groomed and conservatively dressed. The epitomy of a clean cut and very successful electronics and aviation engineer.

He met me at the airport, courteously helped me collect my luggage at the baggage carousel, and carried it for me as I limped along beside him out to his Triumph TR6 sports car in the airport's parking lot. Explaining to me along the way the duties of his job I'd have take over while he was in Chicago.

He had a luxury third story apartment on California street very close to downtown SF. His building had secure underground parking with an elevator up to his apartment on the third floor, complete with a marble fireplace and guest bedroom in which he placed my luggage. He took me out for a ride about town, pointing out the locations of the clients the company he worked for served, and that I would have to check in on each week while he was in Chicago, to ensure their electronics were performing up to snuff, and if not to call him in Chicago right away. An easy job, even for a gimp in a suit and tie, which he insisted I wear when on the job. He then showed me the nearest markets in his neighborhoods, bought groceries for me I liked, gave me a couple hundred bucks spending cash after cooking dinner for us that night. The next morning I drove him and his luggage out to the airport in his TR6. He insisted I stay in the car and not see him off, grabbed his luggage out of the trunk, wished me luck and disappeared into the airport crowd.

A week or so later I'd finished dinner one night and sat pondering my brother's cruel fate as a homosexual while staring out the apartment window at the city lights. I thought to myself how cruel it was that he'd never enjoy the mystical rapturous bonding between man and woman that I'd so recently been reveling in with my girlfriend back home. I wondered why God had inflicted my brother with such a cursed fate, what possible purpose of His did it serve?
The holiness of man and woman's procreative powers were absolutely essential to mankind's continued existence on this planet, and homosexuality was demonstrably a futile slap in the face of God Himself, and mankind in general. So why in the heck had He allowed homosexuality to exist for all these generations since biblical times?

It was with visions of me making love with my girlfriend floating through my mind's eye, how beautifully and rythmically we danced together before falling exhausted into each others arms, and I lay with her pondering that strange emptied feeling in the pit of my stomach I got each time we made love. What did it mean? Possible new life in the form of a child? Continuance of mankind as God intended? Or just a simple biological function between us that produces children? Visions of man bleeding sperm, and woman bleeding either blood or children from between her legs were floating through my mind, when suddenly something started itching in the recesses of my mind, something biblical, something very important that I must remember!

Almost in a trance I rose from the couch and went into the guest bedroom and dragged my suitcase from under the bed and opened it. There inside it was my zippered King James Bible. Unzipping it I returned to the livingroom couch by the window, feverishly trying to remember which section of Genesis I was trying to remember. Something about the tree of knowledge, or was it the tree of life? Yes, something about the fruits of the tree of life being available to man if he'd just reach out his hand and take them.

And there it was before me in my bible. Genesis 3:22.

"Behold the man has become like unto one of us, knowing both good and evil. And now lest he put forth his hand and partake also of the fruits of the tree of life and live forever..."

An unfinished sentence of Genesis, hinting at eternal life being available to man if he'd just reach out his hand and take it. The fruits of the tree of life....plural, not singular. What constitutes the fruits of the tree of life? Man and woman? One bleeding sperm, the other either blood or children? Could it be that simple? Could sperm and menstrual blood constitute the fruits of the tree of life?
Could the flaming sword and cherubim God set to guard the way to the Garden of Eden possibly be phallic symbols applying to both men and women? Has the secrets to the tree of life been hidden right under our collective noses since the days of Adam and Eve? Are our bodies quite literally the temple of the Lord?

I stood up completely astounded that such a simple thing might even be possible! I must be absolutely crazy, out of my mind! Here I was, a young over sexed punk in the middle of the homosexual capitol of the world, using them to contrast the natural beauty of heterosexual relations between men and women, against the homosexuals' futile perversions. Then I asked myself whether I could have reached my astounding hypothesis that night without them as a blackboard contrasting dichotomy?

I kept my bizarre hypothesis that night to myself, diligently performed my brother's job until his return. I returned to San Diego, then quietly began doing a little biological research on sperm and menstrual blood over the next 6 months. The results were as astonishing as the hypothesis itself. It put a tangible component to the Book of Genesis, Revelations 22, The Gospels of Thomas, The Parable of the Mustard Seed and many others. It put a tangible scientifically testable hypothesis whose origins are biblical before me, and the world.

It may surprise some of you to learn that a scientific proof of concept protocol has been recently written by two PhD stemcell researchers, and that my project moves forward in a tangibly scientific manner today.

Okay, now you guys can post away about how truly crazy I am!

But remember, I have lots of science to back my hypothesis!

jomoco
 
Jomoco, I remember the live execution and how it affected me also. I was on the slate to be drafted at 18, just when the draft was ended.

I believe that the temple of the body has both a physical and spiritual aspect, and that one without the other is incomplete.

From the Gospel of John:
"The Jews then responded to him, "What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?"

Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body. After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken."
 
Sperm capacitation is a scientific requisite for making babies. It was discovered by a Japanese researcher in the late 1950's just before I was born. It stipulates that sperm cells must be bathed in female hormones and blood albumins to render them into a fully capacitated stated of being before they can fertilize a female egg.

All the blood albumins and female hormones(progesterone) required to achieve capacitation can be found in menstrual blood.

The hypothesis is that capacitated sperm cells can play a dual role in all mammalian biology rather than a single role. That this dual role is a function of design that can be proven scientically in the lab, on any mammal.

Sperm cell dimensions and PH exactly match those of the red blood cells of each species of mammals, including homosapiens. Our red blood cells have dimensions of 7.5 microns, as do our sperm cells. This means that fully capacitated sperm cells are ideally suited to move unimpeded through our blood's circulatory system once injected into it intravenously.

The sperm's natural known target is egg's glycoprotein area known as the Zona Pellucida. It has specific sperm receptors that the sperm attaches itself to. Once attached it undergoes what's called an acrosome reaction that allows it to hydrolyze its way through the ZP and fuse with the egg's nucleus containing 23 chromozomes. This is known as the moment of conception, or genesis.

Well it just so happens that the human brain has a barrier known as the Blood Brain Barrier, or BBB. The BBB only allows very specific cells to pass through it, like oxygen carrying red blood cells. The BBB is lined with literally millions of extremely tight junctions or gates called Zona Occludens, or ZO's. These millions of ZO's are also comprised of glycoprotein layers almost identical to a female egg's Zone Pellucida glycoprotein layers.

The hypothesis is that the millions of fully capacitated sperm cells, once injected into the donor's bloodstream, will be carried quite rapidly to the donor's BBB, attach themselves to the millions of ZO's there, hydrolyze their way through them, undergo acrosome reactions just as they do in the female egg. Once inside the BBB, it's hypothesized they will fuse to the brain's millions of glial cells and render them pluripotent, and quite capable of both brain repairs and or regeneration.

Kind of like super brain food.

It's of interest to note that there are three areas in all mammalian species that are immune privileged, brains, eyes and testes in men, ovaries in women. Sperm cells come from immune privileged origins, and actively seek out immune privileged grounds, like ovaries.

Testing this hypothesis on women would mean that the spermcells would have to come from an allogeneically matching male like a father or brother to prevent her own immune system from attacking the spermcells and killing them an invading pathogen.

There's an intriguing Doctor Doolittle aspect to this research since it would apply to all mammalian animals. Like say lions and lambs?

Jomoco
 
Sooo this is the agony uncle section of the Buzz then...good grief...I'll have to go and spill some seed on the ground...following the usual demonic thoughts of the un-holly love between myself and the fruit of the black thorn bush...oh sweet sloe why do I love thee so.
 
Not that I know of Treebing.

I'm going about this research from a strictly scientific approach.

I've got two PhD stemcell researchers here in La Jolla working on the project. Dr. Evan Snyder is overseeing the project. Dr. Walter Niles wrote the proof of concept protocol, overseen by Dr. Snyder.

Menstrual blood, while containing all the ingredients necessary to capacitate sperm cells, also contains large chunks of endometrial tissues in varying states of atrophy that would prove to be highly toxic if injected intravenously.

No, today's IVF clinics have sperm capacitation mediums specifically tailored to effectively capacitate sperm cells in their millions in an incubator at exactly 98.7 degrees, and it takes about an hour in the incubator to fully capacitate them.

Dr. Snyder is brilliant, known worldwide, and has cautioned me not to hold out too much hope for the project's success until we have the hard medical data that confirms the hypothesis one way or the other.

Jomoco
 
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My older USAF brother is one of those homosexuals that hides his affliction well.

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A week or so later I'd finished dinner one night and sat pondering my brother's cruel fate as a homosexual while staring out the apartment window at the city lights. I thought to myself how cruel it was that he'd never enjoy the mystical rapturous bonding between man and woman that I'd so recently been reveling in with my girlfriend back home. I wondered why God had inflicted my brother with such a cursed fate, what possible purpose of His did it serve?

The holiness of man and woman's procreative powers were absolutely essential to mankind's continued existence on this planet, and homosexuality was demonstrably a futile slap in the face of God Himself, and mankind in general. So why in the heck had He allowed homosexuality to exist for all these generations since biblical times?

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Here I was, a young over sexed punk in the middle of the homosexual capitol of the world, using them to contrast the natural beauty of heterosexual relations between men and women, against the homosexuals' futile perversions.

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banjo, are these the passages you had in mind? I'm not sure jomoco has displayed a fear of homosexuals, but what he has written here is appalling and reprehensible, equivalent to the worst forms of prejudice, including racism and misogyny.

jomoco, I know that you and I have been generally allied on a few threads lately, but I can only react with shock and dismay at these passages. I hope you will consider editing your posts.

I don't want to distract from the main thrust of your well-written autobiographical account, but this kind of overt bigotry borders on hate speech.
 
You guys are getting me totally wrong if you think I'm either homophobic or non-supportive of gay rights period.

I dearly love my brother and always have regardless of any shortcomings he may or may not have. He is as God created him, and who the heck am I to question God's wisdom period?

Indeed had my brother not been gay, it's extremely unlikely I would have ever thought of this project in the first place!

Gay people should have the same rights as anyone else in my opinion.

What I can't help wondering is whether gay people treated by my hypothetical treatment would have their sexual polarity reversed into a heterosexual state?

Do you think gay people want to be gay? Discriminated against? If they could take a magic pill that makes them normal, do you think they'd refuse it?

Jomoco
 
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You guys are getting me totally wrong if you think I'm either homophobic or non-supportive of gay rights period.

I dearly love my brother and always have regardless of any shortcomings he may or may not have. He is as God created him, and who the heck am I to question God's wisdom period?

Indeed had my brother not been gay, it's extremely unlikely I would have ever thought of this project in the first place!

Gay people should have the same rights as anyone else in my opinion.

What I can't help wondering is whether gay people treated by my hypothetical treatment would have their sexual polarity reversed into a heterosexual state?

Do you think gay people want to be gay? Discriminated against? If they could take a magic pill that makes them normal, do you think they'd refuse it?

Jomoco

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It hurts reading this stuff from you good buddy.
 
Everything I've written in this thread is the truth Marlinspiker.

Simply because I'm nowhere near as gifted a writer as Thomas Paine is no reason I should be insulted by being called a racist homophobic misogynist!

The exact opposite is the case here.

Jomoco
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Do you think gay people want to be gay? Discriminated against? If they could take a magic pill that makes them normal, do you think they'd refuse it?

Jomoco

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Jomoco being gay is not a disease. A percentage of humans are gay and it's natural. No pill is needed as no cure is needed. Looking at it as a defect is in itself a defect.

This is just one area where the Christian religion contains much evil and teaches hate.
 
Jomoco

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It hurts reading this stuff from you good buddy.

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Why Treeco?

Please be specific.

I'm no holy roller. I'm a pragmatic believer in science and all things tangible and scientifically repeatable by independent parties, worldwide.

I'm more than aware that we are all quite fallible, and that I'm certainly no exception to that rule.

I don't believe that Jesus is going to come floating down from the clouds one day. But I do believe in seeking knowledge and wisdom wherever it resides.

Jomoco
 
Please answer the question Treeco.

If gay people could take a magic pill that would make them normal like the rest of us, do you think they'd refuse it?

Jomoco
 
I've been propositioned by lots of pushy disgusting gay men in my life Northwind, and it's neither pleasant or normal in my opinion.

Jomoco
 
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