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I would have picked the lateral and pruned to there as per accepted industry standards. However, I'm not going to dismiss Daniel's idea out of hand. He didn't just leave a stub for the sake of it. He has a plan. Not anywhere near convinced it will work better than going to the lateral.

But I'll have an open mind, and I'd be intereted to find out if it works well. Maybe it works with tulips (I don't know those trees well. We don't have 'em). We have regular Populus here and I've often wondered whether leaving a stub in SOME cases in order to trigger adventitious shoots would be a good idea. I think this experimental type of thing is only worth considering if one knows the tree will be visited for evaluation every year or so for a regular client.

My wondering is based on seeing regrowth of poplars after seeing limbs that broke naturally and were not cleaned up 'properly'.

I will have a damaged ash to remove a long partly dead lead from, and the obvious place to cut it is where it joins one of the main trunk limbs. But there is a skinny lateral, nowhere near 1/3 the diameter further out and I'm going to cut only to there. It will look silly to a trained arborist. But I am hoping that not putting a large wound near the trunk, plus maybe giving the small lareral a chance to establish might be better for the tree.

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Industry standards change over time.. bound to keep doing so for some time... I thought the 1/3 diameter rule was busted.. is that really still taught?

"I am hoping that not putting a large wound near the trunk, plus maybe giving the small lareral a chance to establish might be better for the tree"..

Most certainly it will... Standards don't trump common sense... thanks for keeping an open mind.. keep us posted
 
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Is this a test Daniel? There is a huge stub there.
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Why didn't you drop it back to the lateral you left? It looked like it was at least 1/3rd the diameter of the parent stem.

However, I sort of liked the other large lateral that was about %50 the diameter of the parent stem...

What was proper about that stub?

It is amazing how popular home veggie gardens are now a days. But, the sad thing is, peopole are requesting way too much to be cut off for the sake of the sunlight. My suggestion is, put the garden where there is better light. Don't put it where you think it looks fun and butcher the tree neighboring by! --I digress...

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Sure enough... the stub was still there but she had moved the garden... I didn't give her a hard time..
 
"there is a skinny lateral, nowhere near 1/3 the diameter further out and I'm going to cut only to there. It will look silly to a trained arborist. But I am hoping that not putting a large wound near the trunk, plus maybe giving the small lareral a chance to establish might be better for the tree."

NOW YOU'RE TALKIN'!

Yes, the 1/3 rule was dropped from the standards 11 years ago.
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You know what Guy ? the trees you pruned down south need to be reduced . They're gonna braek . I paid you once , just taking deadwood out of a tree does not insure it's health . Get on Daniels life boat , it's sinking and he has one life boat . Change this title to ' Joke Pruning "
Go ahead , Daniel and Guy , say something stupid , cause your both so smart ?, I'll get the last laugh . Both of you be care full how you reply , truth hurts , worst than a bee sting . Read this like I'm a hornets nest , tip toe , be quiet , and good luck . bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
easy there dukey,
you're gonna scare someone...
Remember that big backyard locust you cabled for me some 4 or 5 years ago?, by conestoga H.S... I asked you to leave some small stubs on the big pruning cuts.. you went off saying "looks like shhite" and "don't call me when they fill up with sprouts"..
Just stopped by and took some pics.. no harm done, no ugly sprouts, no big deal! get over yourself..
 

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dude down here oak trees have half inch outer growth rings and are 36" to 48" dbh at fifty to sixty years old so maybe where your from that doesn't work, but other places might be different. plus it also allows the tree more time to put up more chemical barriers to stop the spread of decay then the tree is only compartmentalizing one wall not four- if the stob dies off. i don't do this practice everyday or would recommend it done everyday, but working on a tulip poplar yeah it might just work. cause those trees make cavities like crazy. there would be a hole you could drive a truck into in the trunk of that tree in like five years if he made that cut at the trunk

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YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! Shigo's target pruning might look good on paper, but out here in the real world, targets can be very elusive, even for the best, most careful and experienced.. especially on big cuts like these!
 
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easy there dukey,
you're gonna scare someone...
Remember that big backyard locust you cabled for me some 4 or 5 years ago?, by conestoga H.S... I asked you to leave some small stubs on the big pruning cuts.. you went off saying "looks like shhite" and "don't call me when they fill up with sprouts"..
Just stopped by and took some pics.. no harm done, no ugly sprouts, no big deal! get over yourself..

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No rot either, so what was the point?
 
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The point is , the cutter is a clown , Seriously , if that whacko video makes sence than we are all fkd ! All of us !

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How about that row of sugar maples along 320 at overbrook g.c. that you "elevated" some years ago... I wanted to cry when I saw those trees hammered like that.. You butchered those poor trees... Commercial job.. you probably had no input in the specs.. they wanted what they wanted, and you gave it to them.. we all gotta eat.. you did what you had to do.. no problem! I called up Matt Ward to commiserate about the fate of the poor trees, and he gets all pumped about how every single cut was a perfect target cut... how great a job you did.. Its a sorry state of affairs in this industry when a heavy at JB Ward thinks that kind of butchery is first class work... and you get all worked up over leaving a stub and Jansen was going to make a 15-20" cut (from spikes) on the trunk of that old tulip.. So ya you're all pretty much fkd...
 
i like how the guy keeps reassuring himself that it worked out for everybody ,the cust , the tree . must have said that a million times . LAME BIG TIME . NICE STUB !!!!
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Don't understand the sense of it. Why not cut it at the proper angle so the tree can start to heal or wall off where it is suppose to. By leaving a stub, this just leaves another cut has to be done and the tree does not know where to wall off. Maybe? I'll stick with what I was taught and what I believe in.
 
Is there any evidence/studies to say that a stub delays the decaying process from reaching the stem? From my experience the whole stub decays, not just from the end. I could be wrong, and would be glad to hear your theories.

Just to throw it out there, leaving a stub seems completely retarded to me but I'm open to whatever.
 
Interesting discussion. In my understanding of tree biology I believe one of 2 things will happen. 1. Either the bark will be sun scorched and the stub will end up a crumbling piece of dead wood. 2. New epicormic shoots will.sprout and keep.a living strip of tissue on the upper side of the stub.

Either way, as so much of the foliage from that limb was removed, I think you are going to see.a.strip of.decay tracking from the cut, all the way down that limb and down the stem beneath. Your pruning will have reduced the extent of decay in the main stem, but not prevent it.Epicorimic shoots and that side shoot will sustain some of the mas of that limb but certainly not all of it.

All in you did the right thing not removing it, the effectiveness of leaving a stub we could all argue with but that arguement will.only be settled by posting a photo in a couple.years time. I did think that your slating of another firm's work a few posts back did nothing to promote your point here. You should let your work speak.for.itself rather than promote your work by talking bad about other people's.
 
As an after thought, that is just the type of job where I might have considered a coronet or (rip) cut. I know they are not popular in the states, but by leaving a natural looking rip, hopefully it will look as is the branch was removed by nature, rather than leaving an un-natural looking chainsaw cut. Whatever you reasons were for leaving the stub that day, it will always stick out and look like a miss placed chainsaw cut. A coronet cut is much more likely to blend into the landscape than a 4 foot stub.
 
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Don't understand the sense of it. Why not cut it at the proper angle so the tree can start to heal or wall off where it is suppose to. By leaving a stub, this just leaves another cut has to be done and the tree does not know where to wall off. Maybe? I'll stick with what I was taught and what I believe in.

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You think you're smarter than the tree????? You know where it needs to "wall off", and it doesn't?????
 
Here's a pic from cut + 20 months.. hard to see what is going on depending on clarity.. no sign of dead bark yet.. 2 small clumps of sprouts on the high side.. They look like they may die with the stub.. only time will tell..

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Interesting discussion. In my understanding of tree biology I believe one of 2 things will happen. 1. Either the bark will be sun scorched and the stub will end up a crumbling piece of dead wood. 2. New epicormic shoots will.sprout and keep.a living strip of tissue on the upper side of the stub.

Either way, as so much of the foliage from that limb was removed, I think you are going to see.a.strip of.decay tracking from the cut, all the way down that limb and down the stem beneath. Your pruning will have reduced the extent of decay in the main stem, but not prevent it.Epicorimic shoots and that side shoot will sustain some of the mas of that limb but certainly not all of it.

All in you did the right thing not removing it, the effectiveness of leaving a stub we could all argue with but that arguement will.only be settled by posting a photo in a couple.years time. I did think that your slating of another firm's work a few posts back did nothing to promote your point here. You should let your work speak.for.itself rather than promote your work by talking bad about other people's.

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