Propaconizol save more trees
- Thread starter tnttree
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- Austin, TX
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- Austin, TX
Re: Propaconizol save big bucks
I think there is some irony that the thread is titled save big bucks and not save big oaks....
I think there is some irony that the thread is titled save big bucks and not save big oaks....
Re: Propiconazole save big bucks
I do like that better, New propiconazole save more trees, I never was good at headlines.
hopefully the significantly reduced chemical cost will make it more economical to save more oaks & elms and fight other fungal nasties. Now more trees can win instead of the chem company. /forum/images/graemlins/applaudit.gif
I do like that better, New propiconazole save more trees, I never was good at headlines.
hopefully the significantly reduced chemical cost will make it more economical to save more oaks & elms and fight other fungal nasties. Now more trees can win instead of the chem company. /forum/images/graemlins/applaudit.gif
- Location
- SE WI
Re: Propiconazole save big bucks
It is my understanding that the Qualipro propiconazole is really a knock off of Banner Maxx with an Alamo label on it. Even though Banner & Alamo are a very similar chemistry the carriers are different. My concern would be "smoking" trees using the knock off. I know people have smoked them using Banner.
It is my understanding that the Qualipro propiconazole is really a knock off of Banner Maxx with an Alamo label on it. Even though Banner & Alamo are a very similar chemistry the carriers are different. My concern would be "smoking" trees using the knock off. I know people have smoked them using Banner.
Re: Propiconazole rumors
Rumors the chemical company would have you believe, I believe Texas A&M researchers have given Quali Pro their blessing and have switched their oak Wilt chemical of choice. Sci Vi stands to loose Millions any wonder rumors surface?
Rumors the chemical company would have you believe, I believe Texas A&M researchers have given Quali Pro their blessing and have switched their oak Wilt chemical of choice. Sci Vi stands to loose Millions any wonder rumors surface?
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- Minnetrista MN
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- Grand Marais, MN
Re: Use Alamo - Not Asian knockoffs
I think it's time for a "summit" on controls, disease, and trends.
There's inconsistancies, half-truths, steered interests, and research compelled by fiscal pontentials instead of efficacies - as much as there are committed principles, good science, and epidemics accelerating. It all spells not enough successes, to many frustrated people, and if a company indeed performs commendable service, it should become standout and rewarded. Customers are leary, tree still die, and costs are prohibitive because "that's what the market will bare". Enough of that, let's assemble and work together...it's not about our successes, it's the trees. WE come later.
Or has America become too Enron'd?"
I think it's time for a "summit" on controls, disease, and trends.
There's inconsistancies, half-truths, steered interests, and research compelled by fiscal pontentials instead of efficacies - as much as there are committed principles, good science, and epidemics accelerating. It all spells not enough successes, to many frustrated people, and if a company indeed performs commendable service, it should become standout and rewarded. Customers are leary, tree still die, and costs are prohibitive because "that's what the market will bare". Enough of that, let's assemble and work together...it's not about our successes, it's the trees. WE come later.
Or has America become too Enron'd?"
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- Minnetrista MN
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Re: Use Alamo - Not Asian knockoffs
Let's keep this on a professional track. If there are personal issues, take them offline. Seeing laundry done in public can get a bit ugly.
Let's keep this on a professional track. If there are personal issues, take them offline. Seeing laundry done in public can get a bit ugly.
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- Grand Marais, MN
Re: Use Alamo - Not Asian knockoffs
Reiterating - it's about the trees.
Everyone has the same goal in mind given a few varied incentives here and there.
There have been sticky issues and science run amok, I take a bit of personal responsibility for condemnation here on the plateau and witness the results daily. Yet with all the hyperbole and careful controls, all the treatments so far have not shown acceptable recovery or survival rates. Thus the need for a Summit. Racing to market to get that "silver bullet" out was a mistake. Instead of two separate schools of thought regarding therapeutics and the subsequent divisions leading further astray, the bottom line is to coordinate the vastly different philosophies into a consolidated program.
I'm not sure that will be acceptable, but what we're limited to as it stands now isn't enough. Failures reflect badly on our industry.
Everything aside, failures...profits...wonderfully recovered trees...frustrations...etc., whatever the committments behind each person, this is the point it needs to get before we take the next step, the right one.
An additional note, working from intuition regarding the genetic propensity of fagacearum's adaptability to elongate it's hyphea to extend beyond the vascular cell it inhabits, has Cambistat been introduced in vitro to the mycelia and be observed making any noticable changes? I keep seeing research on either compound but haven't been privy to, or maybe it hasn't been done yet...a combination of reproductive inhibiting and behavioral programming changes. My preferences follow genetics when palliative treatments don't succeed.
Reiterating - it's about the trees.
Everyone has the same goal in mind given a few varied incentives here and there.
There have been sticky issues and science run amok, I take a bit of personal responsibility for condemnation here on the plateau and witness the results daily. Yet with all the hyperbole and careful controls, all the treatments so far have not shown acceptable recovery or survival rates. Thus the need for a Summit. Racing to market to get that "silver bullet" out was a mistake. Instead of two separate schools of thought regarding therapeutics and the subsequent divisions leading further astray, the bottom line is to coordinate the vastly different philosophies into a consolidated program.
I'm not sure that will be acceptable, but what we're limited to as it stands now isn't enough. Failures reflect badly on our industry.
Everything aside, failures...profits...wonderfully recovered trees...frustrations...etc., whatever the committments behind each person, this is the point it needs to get before we take the next step, the right one.
An additional note, working from intuition regarding the genetic propensity of fagacearum's adaptability to elongate it's hyphea to extend beyond the vascular cell it inhabits, has Cambistat been introduced in vitro to the mycelia and be observed making any noticable changes? I keep seeing research on either compound but haven't been privy to, or maybe it hasn't been done yet...a combination of reproductive inhibiting and behavioral programming changes. My preferences follow genetics when palliative treatments don't succeed.
Re:Arbotech knockoff the untold story
Dear Tom P
It takes a lot of balls for a man in your position to admit Knocking off Arbotech, using it and distributing it illegally, your true business genius was how you got the National distribution rights after Knocking it off /forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Crime does pay eh! Yeh it was a long time ago and your admittance is admirable. I still think the story is relevant given today’s topic.
I'm not against Alamo or Tom Prosser, TNT bought over 140 gallons of Alamo from Your Company last year. It’s a great product and it is no secret to you that we used about 80% of those 140 gals in the treatment of Dutch elm disease. What I am frustrated with is that out of one side of your mouth you argue that Rainbow Treecare Scientific Advancements has made our company successful and out of the other side you tout that Alamo(propiconizole) doesn't work for the treatment DED.
I hardly think as the 1st Accredited Tree Care Company in Minnesota we would year after year promote a service that didn't work. Our Injection business was blessed with starting from scratch when Alamo was 1st being studied. We took the advice of the scientist who did the dosage studies with arbotech and with his guidance we were instrumental in getting the label changed on Alamo from 10 mils to 20 mils and our records and impiracle studies tells us that it works very well. Remember arbotech failed at 10 mils also.
Finally a product comes along that may perform just as well as Alamo at 1/3 the cost, thus the economics of that scenario for once allows an alternative DED treatment story to compete with your Arbotech 4 color marketing prowess. Now more people may take a look at the benefits of treating DED with propiconizole, more trees saved with less injection site injury to the tree.
I apologize for my earlier comment that Texas A&M has given quali pro there blessing for Oak wilt treatment, the latest is that there study will be out in a week or so. We’ll see .
If Quali pro does turn out to be a viable alternative to Alamo, Maybe more oaks will be saved, but more importantly to me is that more elms can be protected and saved also.
It is about the trees in the end, Oakwilt, your insights and comments throughout the buzz amazes me, you seem too bright to be an ordinary Tree guy. I like your Idea of a summit speaking about all the treatments available to arborists by practicing arborists. I’m just an old tree climber but I know some very bright people that would probably have something to add to your summit.
Sorry for rant’in & rav’in so long, I thought people should know – Give me hell if you think I deserve it.
David Nordgaard tnttreeman@aol.com
President
Top Notch Treecare
Dear Tom P
It takes a lot of balls for a man in your position to admit Knocking off Arbotech, using it and distributing it illegally, your true business genius was how you got the National distribution rights after Knocking it off /forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Crime does pay eh! Yeh it was a long time ago and your admittance is admirable. I still think the story is relevant given today’s topic.
I'm not against Alamo or Tom Prosser, TNT bought over 140 gallons of Alamo from Your Company last year. It’s a great product and it is no secret to you that we used about 80% of those 140 gals in the treatment of Dutch elm disease. What I am frustrated with is that out of one side of your mouth you argue that Rainbow Treecare Scientific Advancements has made our company successful and out of the other side you tout that Alamo(propiconizole) doesn't work for the treatment DED.
I hardly think as the 1st Accredited Tree Care Company in Minnesota we would year after year promote a service that didn't work. Our Injection business was blessed with starting from scratch when Alamo was 1st being studied. We took the advice of the scientist who did the dosage studies with arbotech and with his guidance we were instrumental in getting the label changed on Alamo from 10 mils to 20 mils and our records and impiracle studies tells us that it works very well. Remember arbotech failed at 10 mils also.
Finally a product comes along that may perform just as well as Alamo at 1/3 the cost, thus the economics of that scenario for once allows an alternative DED treatment story to compete with your Arbotech 4 color marketing prowess. Now more people may take a look at the benefits of treating DED with propiconizole, more trees saved with less injection site injury to the tree.
I apologize for my earlier comment that Texas A&M has given quali pro there blessing for Oak wilt treatment, the latest is that there study will be out in a week or so. We’ll see .
If Quali pro does turn out to be a viable alternative to Alamo, Maybe more oaks will be saved, but more importantly to me is that more elms can be protected and saved also.
It is about the trees in the end, Oakwilt, your insights and comments throughout the buzz amazes me, you seem too bright to be an ordinary Tree guy. I like your Idea of a summit speaking about all the treatments available to arborists by practicing arborists. I’m just an old tree climber but I know some very bright people that would probably have something to add to your summit.
Sorry for rant’in & rav’in so long, I thought people should know – Give me hell if you think I deserve it.
David Nordgaard tnttreeman@aol.com
President
Top Notch Treecare
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- Minnetrista MN
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Re: This is my last post
Like Mr. Dunlap has stated, old scores are better settled privately. Let's move on. And, I hope that Tom P and Dave N will continue to share info here. /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Like Mr. Dunlap has stated, old scores are better settled privately. Let's move on. And, I hope that Tom P and Dave N will continue to share info here. /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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