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Really. I'd like to be over equipped for a bit larger top. Like over 350lbs.

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Check out the specs

Consider that the BMS rating is for a rescue load.

You'll see that the breaking strength of the OLDS/Belay spool is 15,000#. Most people consider 10:1 a good safety factor for rigging. That gives you a load of 1,600#. I wonder how these specs compare to other friction devices.
 
Seems like things could get wild with the spool alone. How about, in order, knot, roller chain, block, spool and hand grip control. After the battle royale to push the top off you have more automatic braking before you'd have to apply grip.

I've cancelled the Honda outboard dream for another year and am putting together a gear order. I'll consider adding a spool. Or I suppose I could pay my taxes.
 
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I just want that background music and voice over describing my day. How MANLY can you get. Lineman manly. The manliest.

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Makes you want it more than a 13 year old boy wants a case of Axe body spray.
 
seems like this would be ideal for controlling the swing of pieces your rigging with only a two man crew. anyone with any experience with this? something ive been trying to make a simple solution for, although i dont think a $400+ tool is a simple solution.

little expensive for a job specific tool. Oldfart needs one of these, sure youd find some crazy applications for it Tom. theres probably enough ways out there to make this totally worth it, just gotta mess around with it enough.
maybe set up in a small MA system, do some light lifting then be able to control the piece's descent ?
 
Wondering if anyone has used a 540 Rescue Pulley.
Not for catching tops or negative blocking, but for solo lowering light / medium stuff.
New price is ox-blocklike. ~$450
 
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Until you use the BMS Belay Spool you won't see how much different rigging can be when the friction is UP THERE instead of DOWN HERE.

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I'm not offering a a guarantee for people, but I know if I loose my BS, I'm immediately ordering another.

How long does one less groundie take to make up $120 for the purchase price? Not long.


The BS up top doesn't cause the same doubling effect on the top anchor, so you're working load is effectively larger than if you were conmparing a block up top and LD down low.

I don't catch 1600 pound tops, but it does well, very well, every time I've used it with this caveat, you want to hang away from the trunk, a bit. Consider a block having the cheek plates extended enough away from the sheave to prevent the rope from getting pinched between sheave and trunk.
 
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Until you use ................ you won't see how much diffeandrent rigging can be when the friction is UP THERE instead of DOWN HERE.

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Exactly Tom.

Maybe Hold ur $ guys, just a little longer. Might be something lighter, cheaper, more simple soon. Tom will get a free one since he already Has a spool and can compare them.
 
If I recall Jeff, I think their site says to about 15lbs to hold 600lbs. I have been eyeing them myself. Although I own a mini porty and am wondering if that can't be rigged to also work from the limb.
 
Belay Spool thread now :)

Jeff,

I'm guessing that the BS would handle those loads. Like any new thing, ease into it. When I first got mine I used three wraps and small loads. It only took two times to see that I could get by with less wraps and bigger loads. The BS is a solid chunk of stainless steel. It's rated breaking strength is huge!

For me the BS was as much a game changer in rigging as the Blake's hitch was for climbing, maybe more.
 
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I'll second that, Tom.

MOnkeylove, the problem with the mini POW up high, is that it is hard to move the rope without a load (you have to pull a lot harder than with the BS, as the BS sorta releases when their is no load.

Further, the mini can have a wrap hop onto another part of the rope, whereas the BS has "pins" between the wraps.



As with the BS, a Mini POW would have to be kept from rubbing on the trunk, as it can pinch the rope between the POW and the tree, adding unwanted drag.

If I have one revolution up top, and need a little drag, simply add some drag to the rope near you.

Sometimes, actually a fair bit, while the ground crew is working away out of the drop, I'll pop the top, and let the friction do all the lowering, then easily clamp the strand going up into the BS against the trunk (keep from having your hand go into the BS) with my gloved hand. Call for an untie, while rigging on the opposite side. I don't know that you can work both sides of the rope on a mini-pow.
 
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Fair enough Sean. I will have to order one. Even if I hate who cares, I have lots of stuff that costed more in my bag and that never gets used. It really just comes down to personal preferences sometimes.

Frank
 
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There is a cmi block with a becket if you put a binder in the becket it would run 90 degrees to the pulley would this posibly do the same thing either with wraps or a munter?
 
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I vote for the belay spool. I bought one last year on Tom's recommendation. I spoke with Carroll directly and he mailed me one before my cheque was in the mail. Solid guy.
The climber can rig the next piece while the groundies are still dealing with the last one. And the climber can take over the lowering line once the saw is stowed freeing up both hands for the groundie.
Stainless steel. It's worth a try. Have you ever seen one for sale used? That says something.
 
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