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Well said. I'm all for some fun, but save it for a proper forum. And make sure the others are WILLING participants in your game!
 
You didn't answer the question..

have you ever seen a co-dom (cabled or not) with a split trunk twisting in the wind. The twisting will rip a cabled tree with a split trunk in half, right to the trunk flare... If you haven't seen it happen then you lack the experience to comment intelligently... If you have seen it then you'd know what I AM talking about, and if you thought about it a little while you'd realize that a cabled tri-dom won't twist like that, and therefore cannot continue to split the trunk..

Supporting evidence or not, it remains true... physics don't change when the ISA publishes something..

If you want "proof", you'll have to find it somehwere else I AM just a tree cutter.
 
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I have 10s of thousands of hours of work experience cutting trees... It is only with that kind of experience combined with a 99 percentile apptitude in 3 dimensional abstract thinking...

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Daniel, do you realize how pompous you sound?
 
Daniel wrote "When a tree is tri-lead, there is no need to use thru rods.. the traingular effect of the cables keeps the leads from twisting in a way that will continue to split the trunk.."

When one cable tightens because of the wind the others may loosen (the reason we put triangles in trees). I dont see how the twisting is prevented. The bolts are nessessary to stablize that crotch.

Daniel Wrote "You didn't answer the question..
have you ever seen a co-dom (cabled or not) with a split trunk twisting in the wind. The twisting will rip a cabled tree with a split trunk in half, right to the trunk flare... If you haven't seen it happen then you lack the experience to comment intelligently... If you have seen it then you'd know what I AM talking about, and if you thought about it a little while you'd realize that a cabled tri-dom won't twist like that, and therefore cannot continue to split the trunk.."

You want to get rid of the "Smack talk", read your own posts. You dont need to talk down to people, to get a point across (no matter how right or wrong you are or think you are). You obviously dont get any respect around here, and for good reason. You think you are all that, and you know everything, but are not willing to back any of it up with scientific evidens. No one else has said it in so many words, but PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

Oh and to answer you "question" I have seen a co-dom with a split, several in fact. We cabled them both and bolted one. Guess what... The one with the bolt is healing up, the one with just a cable, well, it broke out last summer. Does this mean that I can post intelligently?
 
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Daniel, do you realize how pompous you sound?

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Where's Holly when we need him?
 
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At home drinking a beer and getting ready to watch the Flyers take game 2 against the Hav nots
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Daniel,

You sound like someone with a grudge or someone that had his feelings hurt. I don't entirely disagree with you, but you need to dig a little deeper before you make up your mind on things that go on here.

For example, if you do not know about the people on a personal level or what relationships they have with other members then you can't paint an accurate picture. If you look at what FamilyTree says here [ QUOTE ]
By the way, just picked up my new skates and stick. Let's dance old man.

[/ QUOTE ] you might think that he is calling me out or being rude. Truth be told we do infact know each other and we talk like this in person as well. (mind you I am NOT saying I like him). If you know him you'd know that he shoots a puck like a girl and handles it as good as a Flyers goalie.

Seriously, I have met Ed (Holly) and he is not how he comes off here. He says things similarly, but always with a smile. He is not such a buster. If you don't know him and all you know is how he acts on the web, then I don't blame you for having issues with him. I probably wouldn't like him either.

People don't have to speak and act on TreeBuzz in a certain way. I like that people are people and that it makes Tree Buzz diverse. I don't like personal attacks especially when they are done between strangers. And, we have dealt with that. Tom and I allow people to mix it up. We watch for personality traits and act according to more than just one person having a disagreement. I am sorry if you or others think that it means that we are not in "control", but it is how we like it. I don't want this place to feel like a library. I'd rather it felt like a group of professionals hanging out and being real.

Feedback is always welcome by me. Anyone and everyone has a say here.
 
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Which Flyers goalie are you referring to? As I recall we have used 7 of them to reach (and take a lead) in the conference finals....Not a one of those goalies will be joining your devils on the golf course any time soon : )
 
I for one definetly would rather talk smack in person . I fire alot quicker . I know I didn't offend Holly , if I did than I got the wrong read on him .
Daniel , Daniel , Daniel . Relax , the wheel is round , been that way a long time . Talking about what if's on this tree is sort of like an paramedic asking a dying man on the street why he crossed on a red light. Who cares , too late . You can't fix broke . I personally think that the back split on that tree was allready broke , for awhile . I think it was one of the healthiest Red Oaks I've seen ( besides the obvious), it had one piece of dead . I wasn't there to school the treeman or homeowner on what could've been done to prevent this , I was there to save there house's and pool. I didn't play games with this tree ,, I hit it before it knew I was there , it was still windy . In less than one hour on scene , fire was under control , THAN I secured it for lowering . They have a picture of that tree with the house in 1915 , it was a decent size than . Rods , cables , land locked , the people had money , it was in Chestnut Hill . They chose not to care for the tree over the years and that is how the Red Oak and I crossed paths . On another note , I think you , Daniel would have played games with this tree , that is the difference between you and I . I have a game to watch.
 
Mark,
Your reply is well explained and reasoned.
However, a few things for clarification:

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Agreed. But does being a member here mean you have to take other's crap? Like I said before, a little friendly ribbing is fine, but that's not why I am here, and I certainly never signed up for that. Does membership effectively give everyone else a right to sound off on you?!?


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I have had this experience more than once, and recently. If it was meant in fun, that's news to me, especially with derogatory name calling. There was/is also an underlying attitude that this is somehow exceptable or a right-of-passage or something. That's total garbage.

I really enjoy treebuzz but there is an antogonistic element, rather than communitee building. I'm happy to see other people who are presumably friends tearing at each other. It's usually pretty funny. But until someone willingly joins in or is no longer a "stranger" this should stay directed at the players, not the spectators.

(see how I brought that back to the original derail?
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Riggs,

Two parts that I would appreciate clarification on--

what type of cut do you mean by flatcuts? I have never heard this name. Is there some other common name for flatcut? Is that just meaning flat landing of the logs on the brush to spread the impact?

You said that you tied the trunks together after you brushed it out. Why not before, especially with it being over your truck and windy. Did you mitigate some other way first, such as a strong guyline?

Thanks, and nice work.
 
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Oh and to answer you "question" I have seen a co-dom with a split, several in fact. We cabled them both and bolted one. Guess what... The one with the bolt is healing up, the one with just a cable, well, it broke out last summer. Does this mean that I can post intelligently?

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Someone please inform me here, is it or is it not recommended/ a BMP that co-dominants with bark inclusions should be braced, as well as cabled, in addition to possible pruning, whereas an excluded bark crotch doesn't have the brace rod as a BMP?

Does the brace rod limit the outward leverage created below the top of the inclusion on a compromised crotch when the tops move toward one another, with the top of the inclusion acting as a fulcrum point? (in addition to limiting the outward leverage caused by the tops moving away from one another (cable prevents this to some degree) that wants to pull apart the crotch from the top down)
 

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Yes it is recommended. Especially when a split is involved. The brace is supposed to stabilize the crotch to minimize movement. I believe the BMP's say to put one bolt above the crotch (being protected) and then below the crotch no less then the diameter of the stem. Then on really large stuff you can go three I think. Sorry I want very clear in my post.
 
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Thanks for this, I had never heard that rule before. Good to know. Ironically I've been doing it right out of sheer dumb luck!
 
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So Sad . The Philly area got hit with hard winds on Saturday and sunday. This oak was hit hard on Sunday , the 9th . A three stem Red Oak , hanging over three properties , two houses and a pool . The only acsess by a hair and a crap load of cribbing was the one house to the back . The tree was breaking and all neighbors were happy that some fool ( me) would help them. Land lock your property , who's the fool ? Anyway This tree split on Sunday , it had no cables (?) Look at this split click here , it was still windy on Monday , the tree was gonna break click here , I didn't want to set up my truck , they love there houses and pool but I love my truck( 75ft. feva aerial lift). Cool job , I'll do it , no crane acsess Click here . 9 ft. arch way . I barely got my bucket in the neighbors. inch here inch there. The tree was compromised click here I hammered that tree , gonna finish it on Saturday. Tied it up , lowered it , Ghostbuster style. Truth be told , by noon it would have fallen , and smashed two houses. I did it for the high , pictures and beautiful ladies. If that tree fell and broke my truck or almost killed me I would have burned their houses down ( kidding?) . Hey , how about some preventive maintinence on your old tree ? pruning , cable , hello !

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Wow, that was a pretty cool tree.

and the house like a castle!

Above, in your post, how come after "pictures and beautiful ladies", you didn't have a blue <font color="blue">click here </font> for the beautiful ladies?

It was such a grand tree, that I can't help but to think, if I saw that tree in person, would I have submitted an estimate on pulling it back together and cabling and bracing it. maybe, but I'd have to see in person...

that tree didn't look too big in the pictures until your last posting of it being taken down, then it looked really big.

great job Riggs.

Oh, and Holly is banned by the way people. For now.

and I agree, there is probably a feeling of "afraid to post" for people that are new and not loudmouth like Holly and Easypho and Me. So maybe those guys should let up a bit. I try not to give crap anymore, unless it's a veteran buzzer. I stopped picking on the new guys long ago.
 
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I guess I better watch my tail then huh?
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LOL! You don't have as many grey hairs as me (yet) Mark, but you are "The Veteran Buzzer".
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