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Re: Access for all!!!

I don't like the idea that anyone can climb a publicly owned tree. There are huge safety concerns for the public (falling branches and equipment in parks). I don't see many soccer players fall to their deaths either. Tree work has huge professional casualties, so the writing is on the wall for un-educated rec climbing I reckon. I thought about running rec courses a few years ago, but I shelved the idea for good reasons:

I see a few favoured trees getting a lot of abuse, just like favoured rock routes do, only rocks won't die or disappear quite as quick as a tree can.

I climb trees to keep the public safe, and help procure their health and safety in an urban environment. Thats one reason i SRT and work off false crotches - to be as light on the tree as possible. There are lots of scots pines round here - only takes the friction of a boot sole to scuff the bark off. Many boots = much damage. I know many favoured trees used for training, and they are showing signs of being 'tired' (polished bark, thin canopies, worn crotches) at best and in decline at worst.

I believe that certain trees should be used for such rec/education purposes for Kids and adults, but they should be carefully monitored and rotated.

I have many rare trees in my care for prestigious clients. Some have public access and are adored by many whom love to climb (just a little). I like the interaction between these trees and human social/spiritual/psychological values. But sometimes too much love can kill, and those lovers mourn their loss more when they realised they were part of the rapid decline process. Sometimes these trees have to be fenced off for a while to recover. Some can have decking put up to prevent root compaction and still allow interaction. Some have to be admired from a distance for safety reasons, which isn't so bad once you explain mutilating it would be the option to allow them to touch it. But dangerous trees are another issue I have different views on.

The point is, it is irresponsible in my view to allow wholescale recreational use of trees without suitable controls and education. After all, not everyone has our understanding, like the ice climbers I heard of looking for summer practice..........

See where I'm coming from?
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Re: Access for all!!!

Rec climbing rules have to be tailored for specific locations. For a city park a tree can be designated and designated trees rotated to reduce impact. Climbers must meet basic equipment and safety requirements and use non-damaging technique. Peter Jenkins in Atlanta has had thousands of climbers on his 2 White Oaks over 20 years, the trees are magnificent and in excellent health. Each tree has at least 3" deep chipped hardwood on the ground out to the dripline and all climbers use cambium savers or false crotches.

Jody Rice is a park ranger who's started a recreational tree climbing program in a Georgia state park. He's created very specific rules and guidelines for climbers that protect trees and ecosystems. He's a visionary and leader and is showing how it can be done properly.
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Thats very encouraging Moss.

It has occurred to me that, if rec climbers are being so pro-active and responsible to the tree (accessing via SRT, always using cambium savers/false crotches, protecting ecosystems), they will inherit arboriculture from current 'pros' who sacrifice such responsibility for profit (inappropriate use of spurs, constantly running ropes over crotches etc).

That would be good!
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Begs the question, why are pros not being taught how to be more sympathetic to their patient, via use of improved techniques at a basic level? Roped access workers are taught SRT from day one as novices on a five day course. That just teaches them how to get to a place of work - they still need to be a qualifed engineer, for example, depending upon what they want to do at height. Rec climbers possibly see the ergonomic benefits immediately.

Body thrusting is taught over here to get your 'licence'. 5 days, thats it, you're a qualified tree climber.

But there is no further training required to reach 'professional competence', which I think should be in place, teaching the use of these techniques.

It all boils down to public education of tree care - if more public get involved on responsible rec climbing, they will do tree care a favour through disseminating a certain standard of knowledge.

If they want to contract, as long as they work to standards, thats OK also. And there in lies the current problem; Our industry/profession really needs a tier system of training tied to insurance to prevent so much tree damage and needless accidents.

At the moment tree care is still in the wilderness when it comes to professional attitudes. I feel the high accident stats are symptomatic of poor training/professionalism, rather than 'its just a dangerous job'; too many people taking risks without reasonbly practicable controls (training, techniques, knowledge, equipment). If the money isn't there, its because too many are undercutting each other with risky business practices. Accidents occur, insurance goes up, regulations imposed etc.

Hmm....I'm liking the idea of responsible rec climbers taking over the show...
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hey all you smarties!!!! This is America - land of the broken system!! The sign is there so when the kid breaks his neck, it is harder for them to sue. They could care less if you climb.

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I thought the same exact thing.

America - Land of the free, home of the - "since there was no sign sayin' I couldn't do it, and I got hurt, I can now sue you!"

Just the way it is mang...
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It's a shameful secret but us rock climbers are a strange and driven breed. No matter how grand the rock architecture we will try and hang off anything that looks as though it may support our weight.

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Good points. Not sure how to make others climb in a sensitive manner.

When I'm climbing recreationally I use tennis shoes, friction savers, and Bob Marley.
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....WON'T YOU HELP ME SING?
MY SONGS OF FREEDOM!
CAUSE THEY'RE ALL I'LL EVER HAVE...
REDEMPTION SONGS! (Guitar)
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Re: Access for all!!!

Good topic. In the city I mainly do business in, I have asked the city forester if I could recreationally climb trees in their parks. He gave me permission to climb in two parks. He knows my approach to arboriculture and trusts that I would take care of his trees. So, the public would look at the trees I climb and know right away that they could not be capable of climbing them. They would also know that I am a professional and respect what I can do. The only issue I have is sometimes telling folks to stand clear when using a throw line.--Not bad though.
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