Nick's Palm Thread

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Nick\'s Palm Thread

I did my first palm this week. Not a fun task by any means. But I thought I'd share it all with you. It was a Canary Island Date Palm, aka Pheonix Palm aka Pheonix canariensis The tree was about a whoppin' 40' to the very top. My job was to go up raise it up "2 times around" and remove the dead flowers and seed bunches.

There was another nearly identical right next to it that another guy was doing. He used the ladder to go up. I waited for the guys to bring the ladder over- but they were dilly-dallying, so I just spiked up. The supervisor volunteered to take a few shots for me in the hope that he could get one of me sliding back down the tree, but that never happened /forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

So I went up with the Silky Ibuki and a ms200t. I started with the Ibuki, then worked my way counter clockwise (to the right. I cut off about 8 fronds, then decided to see how the stihl cut through. The saw I was using was provided by the place we were working at (the International Headquarters of the Buddhist church). It was a BRAND new saw- never cut a thing before. They had us clean the bars and handsaws when we went from tree to tree. We dipped it in engine coolant. I don't know if this is normal, but that's what we did.

Well, it cut as smooth as butter, but I had one prob. I was working to my right, which meant I wasn't able to take advantage of the flat side of the saw. My cuts were at a slight angle. I made note to work to the left on future trees to keep that uniform look.

For rope, I brought up a flip line and the climbing line. I used the flip line to ascend, then when I got up there the flip line never was unclipped and I used the blaze climbing like over one frond just for positioning and to momentarily take the weight off my spikes occasionally.

So I started working my way around half the time with the ibuki, half with the chainsaw to see which I prefered (jury's still out on that one). As I went around, I reached up with the tip of the handsaw and pulled down the dead flowers I could see. When I got done, the ground guys told me there were several more overhead that I missed (thanks for telling me NOW, guys). So they sent up a pole and I looked closer, realized what I had missed, went around again, and made it look better. I was about done, when the head grounds guy for the church came said it would be nice if it was a little higher, and I asked him to verify with the crew leader- he quickly did while I waited, then I went around AGAIN!

Finally I was done. Only 2 injuries sustained- the fronds have deadly thorns/spikes near the base and I got punctured in the pinky and elbow. These were sore all day, and much worse the following day.

I came down on a rope guide that went around 2 fronds.

Here's a pic of me heading up.

love
nick
 

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Here's me starting to get to work. I got punctured twice because none of the fronds could just fall down. There was nice landscaping directly below and each one had to be tossed into a little safe zone. This tree, I should mention, took me about 3 hours to do. For all you experienced palm trimmers- you know that 3 hours is horrible for ONE tree- but I think I did alright considering- first time in a palm, had to go around 3 times, and all limbs had to be hand tossed.
 

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...the last one- a close up of the finish

Tomorrow I'm going to throw out my "palm rules" and see if what I think about palms is kosher with you guys. Stuff like "spikes are okay" and how much to trim them, etc. So get ready for some fun!

love
nick
 

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That sure was one big arse palm. It looks good just remind me to pay you for the job not per the hour. /forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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Nick, how heavy are the leafs/frones, i've heard they can be around the 200kg?

I know that in Spain where alot of these palms grow they use sort of metal coil-straps attached to platforms where you put your feet on/in to walk up the trunk. This is a non invasive system.... i'll see if i can find a pic on the web...cool job! nice one

Jelte
 
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Hi Nick I used to work on Pheonix Palms alot in Oz.Just reading you post brings all the bad memories flooding back.Lifting them is bad enough like you say them sharp spines give you hell if you get sticked by them.Did you have to section fell any.This is the biggest pain.Coz your chainsaw won't cut into them horizontally you have to take the trunk in slanting cuts.The fibres are so tough they are like the chainsaw protection in your kevs.If you don't take them like this the fibres just bind your saw in seconds.In Oz the woodhuntsman spider likes to live in the bits of the fronds that make up the bark on the stem They like to jump out and scare the sh#t out of you when your up there working.I hope to never have to work on them again,and its not likely seeing as I live in Norway now
later

Didj
 
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I know that in Spain where alot of these palms grow they use sort of metal coil-straps attached to platforms where you put your feet on/in to walk up the trunk. This is a non invasive system.... i'll see if i can find a pic on the web...cool job! nice one

Jelte

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We call those swiss tree climbers over here. The garden I work at has a pair. They work alright as long as the trunk is fairly smooth with a uniform diameter. Otherwise they can be a real pain in the butt. They are also fairly expensive, around a grand if I remember correctly.

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Not about palms but about getting stuck...

When I did buckthorn removals I always kept a tube of triple anitbiotic ointment in an accessible pocket. Anytime that I got poked I rubbed a dab into the puncture. That really reduced the inflammation and soreness.
 
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Hey Nick,
Have you been in any coral trees? They look like they'd be a p.i.t.a., but I bet one gets used to the thorns after a while.
I just learned some trees today. Before today all I knew was 'palm'. Just one kind of 'palm'. Learned 'palm tree' from t.v. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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The festering is important it's the only way I've been able to remove the busted up splinters.

Sorry about the derail Nick.

The thing I remember from AZ is to not skin queen palms they then sunburn.
 
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Nick welcome to palms..be glad you are not in arizona the scorpions live in them... use bleach to sterilize your sawws and spurs because there is a disease called fusarium wilt that kills the palms.. it is a spore based disease spread by the saws looks pretty good from the pics... screw time
 
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Okay, the few days before I did my first palm, I made a list of questions and stuff to keep in mind for the near future.

1-Spikes are OK in palms. Not only are they OK (since they are not trees anyways, and have no cambium), they are the fastest way (besides a ladder) to get the job done
2-If I had my way, I'd only take off the dead or browning fronds. The more green you cut off, the less energy the palm can produce for itself. That said, many palms are trimmed to "10 & 2" and they do just fine.
3-That top tight bunch of rolled up fronds seems important. Don't cut that off.
4-When you descend, use a false crotch around the trunk or several fronds. If you just put the climbing line around a few fronds, it works it's way down between the fronds. When you try to pull your rope out later, you have to fight really hard to get it out. Why bother with that if you don't have to.
5-Now might be a good time to get a wire-core flipline

The last one is a question
6- How big a top can you take? How strong is a palm?

I kinda answered this myself when I saw my first palm removal. The size top he took was no top. The climber climbed up and removed every frond, the cut and tossed 24" pieces all the way down the 60' WOBBLY trunk.

So I guess the revised question would be, how big o' pieces can I rope down? The tree wobbles a lot once you take the fronds off, so I expect to have some major whippage once you start roping chunks out. Get ready for a ride!

I'll keep you guys updated!

love
nick
 
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Here's some comments Nick:

1-In Hawaii, at least, spiking is socially acceptable on coconuts and a few other palms. On others it is considered ugly and not done unless there is no other way to access the crown. Just because the palm has no cambium does not mean that diseases and fungus cannot be transmitted via spike wounds (although this is probably fairly infrequent).

2-You are right that just removing the dead and browning fronds is best for the palm. Other than that standard practice out here (among those that care about the health of the trees which is few and far between) is a 10 and 3 trim, and that's measured at the petioles not the frond tips.

3- Dead on. That's the terminal bud. Cut it off or damage it badly and the palm will probably die.

4-My current method for exiting palms: tie an alpine butterfly in the middle of my climbing line (while I'm still on the ground), clip a steel biner into the loop, wrap one side of the line around the trunk and clip it into the biner, snug up tight and descend on my 8. When I get to the ground all I have to do is pull on the other leg of the rope to bring the whole thing to the ground. There's a lot of palms that I wouldn't trust the fronds, even of several of them, to hold my weight.

6-Depends on the palm species, but in general you're right, especially on coconuts. Rope even a middling size chunk and you can get whipped around like a rag doll. Sometimes it's easier to just cut small chunks that you can toss into the drop zone. You DO NOT want to try and rope out a top with all the fronds on.

Anyways, have fun with the world of palms. They are beautiful plants, but did I mention that I hate working in them? Fortunately, in the garden I work in we let most of our palms grow naturally. I think they look better that way.
 

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