boreality
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Is this your christmas wish to argue about your infomertial. I don't really enjoy it.
nice cut for hung trees
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The danger is you don't know which direction it'll go. Down usually but at what angle, away from you, straight at your feet? The rope pull is much safer.
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This specifically is nonsense... if you've used the cut enough, you'd know that the piece always drops straight down, with only one very rare exception.. You'd almost have to try to get under the piece to get hit...
The danger is you don't know which direction it'll go. Down usually but at what angle, away from you, straight at your feet? The rope pull is much safer.
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This specifically is nonsense... if you've used the cut enough, you'd know that the piece always drops straight down, with only one very rare exception.. You'd almost have to try to get under the piece to get hit...
Daniel
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ps... Merry Christmas
boreality
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Ho ho ho no no no I've been sucked into the vortex again. I even watched the video again. Sigh... Your second cut started to go sideways. If it happened at the speed of light like they do hmm I don't know Daniel looks like you got a system, stick with it if you like it. Keep us posted.
Merry Christmas back at ya.
Merry Christmas back at ya.
Daniel some of your videos are interesting, this one was pointless. Like watching someone cut firewood. Plus you didn't look confident.
An example of a video some of the other posters are talking about. Could just use a step cut and wedge or the cut they use. A little more interesting then cutting firewood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8rIDuoOS1o
An example of a video some of the other posters are talking about. Could just use a step cut and wedge or the cut they use. A little more interesting then cutting firewood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8rIDuoOS1o
boreality
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Ya like that. Not the key hole thing, might as well carve an eagle into it. But the rope pull. You can be in the danger zone or knot. Not's always better. That's all I'm saying. I would of mentioned that in the preamble.
BigWood
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There is to be no questioning of the preamble either, as ol' Dan invented it too.
bonner1040
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He is a loser guys, nothing less.
BigWood
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I like the infomercial reference, Dano's the Billy Mays of bad ideas and self righteousness.
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The danger is you don't know which direction it'll go. Down usually but at what angle, away from you, straight at your feet? The rope pull is much safer.
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This specifically is nonsense... if you've used the cut enough, you'd know that the piece always drops straight down, with only one very rare exception.. You'd almost have to try to get under the piece to get hit...
I try not to sound like an arrogant ahole, but when clueless people act like they know something, I just gotta call it BS... There is nothing to argue about.. You're full of SH!T...
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Are you kidding me?
That statement really shows you know very little.
Depending on the limb structure and how hard it hit the other tree, the released log can move in many directions besides just down.
I would not cut something without knowing which way it was going to go. I know which way it is going to go, or I would not cut. I never said that I didn't know, that was the other guy.
I could piece together some leaner videos that would likely put your leaner videos to shame.
It's just that many people don't have all the free time that you do Daniel.
There are many great people out there, better than me and way better than you, that never video tape anything.
Just because you have many videos, doesn't make you an expert.
It just makes you look good in all the eyes of the people that are less skilled than you.
If you are mentally stable and can handle your "video kingdom" being torn down, just ask for it and I will devote time to tearing it down.
Merry Christmas, as I do not hate you, I just dislike the way you portray things and may mislead others.
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The danger is you don't know which direction it'll go. Down usually but at what angle, away from you, straight at your feet? The rope pull is much safer.
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This specifically is nonsense... if you've used the cut enough, you'd know that the piece always drops straight down, with only one very rare exception.. You'd almost have to try to get under the piece to get hit...
I try not to sound like an arrogant ahole, but when clueless people act like they know something, I just gotta call it BS... There is nothing to argue about.. You're full of SH!T...
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Are you kidding me?
That statement really shows you know very little.
Depending on the limb structure and how hard it hit the other tree, the released log can move in many directions besides just down.
I would not cut something without knowing which way it was going to go. I know which way it is going to go, or I would not cut. I never said that I didn't know, that was the other guy.
I could piece together some leaner videos that would likely put your leaner videos to shame.
It's just that many people don't have all the free time that you do Daniel.
There are many great people out there, better than me and way better than you, that never video tape anything.
Just because you have many videos, doesn't make you an expert.
It just makes you look good in all the eyes of the people that are less skilled than you.
If you are mentally stable and can handle your "video kingdom" being torn down, just ask for it and I will devote time to tearing it down.
Merry Christmas, as I do not hate you, I just dislike the way you portray things and may mislead others.
bonner1040
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" I do not hate you, I just dislike the way you portray things and may mislead others. "
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boreality
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I don't know about that either David. I only find out what some trees are going to do after I start the cut and that's what I'm doing, feeling for tension direction. If you've got that gift well you're better than me. Can you do levitation too?
The comment I deleted would of made a great Christmas present for Daniel.
The comment I deleted would of made a great Christmas present for Daniel.
Daniel
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Depending on the limb structure and how hard it hit the other tree, the released log can move in many directions besides just down.
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The only time you have to worry about this cut is if the tree is top heavy which is a very rare situation.. Big tree on little house or hung up in low crotch of nearby tree... THAT is the only time the but will come back towards the faller... no pissing contest here... just the way it is....
If the tree gets straight it presents another danger... hopefully you get control before that point... if you get there, DO NOT CUT AND RUN... cut and look up!
Depending on the limb structure and how hard it hit the other tree, the released log can move in many directions besides just down.
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The only time you have to worry about this cut is if the tree is top heavy which is a very rare situation.. Big tree on little house or hung up in low crotch of nearby tree... THAT is the only time the but will come back towards the faller... no pissing contest here... just the way it is....
If the tree gets straight it presents another danger... hopefully you get control before that point... if you get there, DO NOT CUT AND RUN... cut and look up!
to everyone else out there, believe me, they don't always drop straight down, there are other forces present in some situations that are more forceful then the gravity.
yes, they might go down, but go to the either side or back toward the root ball while going down.
This can trap a foot, a leg or your entire body.
( a logger friend of ours got his body crushed by a leaner he tried to cut; it didn't just go down, it shot to the side and down, right on his chest. His son was watching)
I tried to draw one scenario here.
pinched limbs in a crotch, tries to make the log spin, but the root ball is too heavy. Plus add a heavy side limb, hanging in the air.
If you stand on the right side and make the cut until it falls, you are likely going to get a suprise, a smashed foot or leg.
There are tons and tons of scenarios where they don't drop straight down.
If you don't know for sure, make notch cut or a snap cut, pull with rope, use a pole chainsaw to finish the cut or all of the above.
Sometimes, if the tree it hit, is pushing back so hard, nothing will happen even if you finish the cut somehow. These can push back toward the root ball a bit if you get it to release. That's why I did a notch to the side and back cut; then used a rope to release the leaner in "rope rigging II" video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVZkpSBKnkM
yes, they might go down, but go to the either side or back toward the root ball while going down.
This can trap a foot, a leg or your entire body.
( a logger friend of ours got his body crushed by a leaner he tried to cut; it didn't just go down, it shot to the side and down, right on his chest. His son was watching)
I tried to draw one scenario here.
pinched limbs in a crotch, tries to make the log spin, but the root ball is too heavy. Plus add a heavy side limb, hanging in the air.
If you stand on the right side and make the cut until it falls, you are likely going to get a suprise, a smashed foot or leg.
There are tons and tons of scenarios where they don't drop straight down.
If you don't know for sure, make notch cut or a snap cut, pull with rope, use a pole chainsaw to finish the cut or all of the above.
Sometimes, if the tree it hit, is pushing back so hard, nothing will happen even if you finish the cut somehow. These can push back toward the root ball a bit if you get it to release. That's why I did a notch to the side and back cut; then used a rope to release the leaner in "rope rigging II" video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVZkpSBKnkM
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Daniel
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If a tree is going to hang up, there isn't much point in using this cut is there? Climb it , cut it down to the pressure points, if needed rope it, then trip it from the ground..
If a tree is off balance, or hanging up on one side, it may turn and roll, but that is not going to push it BACK.. THE ONLY THING THAT WILL PUSH IT BACK, is if the tree is top heavy, which is a very rare scenario***.. Spring back from the other tree is a near non existent concern.. What you think is "spring back" has to do with the tension on the down side, changing to compression when the tree gets straight enough.. This can seize, the tree on the cut, if its not cut right, but the piece will still drop straight once it releases
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Sometimes, if the tree it hit, is pushing back so hard, nothing will happen even if you finish the cut somehow. These can push back toward the root ball a bit if you get it to release. That's why I did a notch to the side and back cut; then used a rope to release the leaner in "rope rigging II" video. "
is total garbage.. You're confused.. no way a tree leaning on the angle shown in that video is going anywhere but down... straight down...
You fooled around, climbing and cutting in the snow, set your GRCS up and still couldn't trip the cut you made.. Then dropped it with one cut from the ground... If you were trying to minimize damage to the understory trees, then good job. If you did it for the reasons stated above, you were simply wasting time and energy... unnecessarily complicated is not safer.
*** note: if the tree is still connected to a back leaning stump it is possible for the stump to pull the tree back as it stands back up in the hole. becasue this happens relatively slowly it poses no danger.
PS X... did that crane lift the root ball in that video??? that would surprise me.. and I never did understand why some climbers like to lift a piece off the cut with the GRCS, when there is plenty of room to let gravity do the same..
If a tree is off balance, or hanging up on one side, it may turn and roll, but that is not going to push it BACK.. THE ONLY THING THAT WILL PUSH IT BACK, is if the tree is top heavy, which is a very rare scenario***.. Spring back from the other tree is a near non existent concern.. What you think is "spring back" has to do with the tension on the down side, changing to compression when the tree gets straight enough.. This can seize, the tree on the cut, if its not cut right, but the piece will still drop straight once it releases
Your above statement:
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Sometimes, if the tree it hit, is pushing back so hard, nothing will happen even if you finish the cut somehow. These can push back toward the root ball a bit if you get it to release. That's why I did a notch to the side and back cut; then used a rope to release the leaner in "rope rigging II" video. "
is total garbage.. You're confused.. no way a tree leaning on the angle shown in that video is going anywhere but down... straight down...
You fooled around, climbing and cutting in the snow, set your GRCS up and still couldn't trip the cut you made.. Then dropped it with one cut from the ground... If you were trying to minimize damage to the understory trees, then good job. If you did it for the reasons stated above, you were simply wasting time and energy... unnecessarily complicated is not safer.
*** note: if the tree is still connected to a back leaning stump it is possible for the stump to pull the tree back as it stands back up in the hole. becasue this happens relatively slowly it poses no danger.
PS X... did that crane lift the root ball in that video??? that would surprise me.. and I never did understand why some climbers like to lift a piece off the cut with the GRCS, when there is plenty of room to let gravity do the same..
the leaner in the snow was done like that because repeated cuts droping the trunk would shock the tree it was pushed against. The catch tree was really bent a lot.
It was cut like that to minimize damage to that catch tree.
the hinge did not want to start because there was SO much pressure pushing back and i did not cut it for gravity to help.
I did not want a notch directly on top and fold it that way with gravity, because i didn't want it to go while I was near it, the top could come back and get me.
yes, the grcs could not get the hinge to start by itself, i had to drop it to stimulate the hinge and it did hinge.
about the crane on the stump/rootball one. that last stump was going to need cut again anyway, so I said lets put the crane on it and maybe we could stimulate the root ball to settle just a little more; as it was planned for stump grinding and the less root ball above ground the better.
crane was fully extending horizontal, which is only 1500 capicity, i didn't think it would do much and it didn't do anything to help it settle any more. Crane was just used to carry away the chunks.
It was cut like that to minimize damage to that catch tree.
the hinge did not want to start because there was SO much pressure pushing back and i did not cut it for gravity to help.
I did not want a notch directly on top and fold it that way with gravity, because i didn't want it to go while I was near it, the top could come back and get me.
yes, the grcs could not get the hinge to start by itself, i had to drop it to stimulate the hinge and it did hinge.
about the crane on the stump/rootball one. that last stump was going to need cut again anyway, so I said lets put the crane on it and maybe we could stimulate the root ball to settle just a little more; as it was planned for stump grinding and the less root ball above ground the better.
crane was fully extending horizontal, which is only 1500 capicity, i didn't think it would do much and it didn't do anything to help it settle any more. Crane was just used to carry away the chunks.
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X, I like your drawings.
Daniel, you are cutting above shoulder height with a chainsaw in the video. That is all I have to say about that.
Daniel, you are cutting above shoulder height with a chainsaw in the video. That is all I have to say about that.
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