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Be careful what you wish for there has been at least one member here that got into the side gig so heavily it ruined the tree biz for him. The quick cash aint so quick or easy once you start being legit.

Tell me more, man. As in, he got bogged down with overhead?

If you want to only use a dumpster for your debris, get good at chainsaw chipping. You'll be surprised at how much you can fit into a dumpster. If you load the brush in the same size that you drag it out, you'll be surprised at how little will fit in there.

So, when I really want to reduce a brush pile at the house to something more compact, I cut it into 12"-18" sticks. Does this constitute "chainsaw chipping"?
 
My method for packing a box with brush was: cut branches straight and roughly the length of the box; stack all facing the same direction and stomp them down as tight as possible; repeat till box is almost full; start at one side of box making cuts every 6 inches perpendicular to the branches with the bar buried the whole way into the brush, but not hitting the walls or floor of the box; watch full box turn into 1/3 full box. Tips, leave wood over 3 inch diameter untill last as it will slow down the mulching process and just throw them on top when done, keeping the bar buried fully in the brush helps to not throw 6 inch pieces of wood into your face, you will most likely jump the chain off the bar fairly often so get used to hitting the brake as soon as it happens so it doesn't burr up the drive links, and don't file your rakers too low on your mulching saw.
 
I shouldnt speak so matter of factly as i dont know the details but his last few posts in a long time were selling equipment and i remember a quirp about his frustration alluding to the difficulty of running a tree biz.

If you wanna be legit look at insurance, workers comp, individual city licensing, true cost of maintenance, non billable hours put in, service calls, competition etc etc.

If you learn more than just climbing the neighbor who asks you to diagnose his anthracnose will most likely be hiring you for the pruning. After 10 years in the industry i regularily decline side work as its more than i could ever handle or want to.

Any trailer you buy you will be slashing in it. I always hated it as it feels dangerous and sometimes is. Wear chaps and those saw boots you were eyeing up aint a bad idea either
 
That cutting in a trailer thing sounds like something that could go south quick, fast, and inna hurry.

Boots are on my doorstep today, and I wear Mk2 Zeros for anything tree-related.

I actually went and updated my ad to make it clear that I am offering reduced pricing for no-haul cutting. I'm not sure that's the right thing to do, as I would get more information about how many jobs that is costing me by leaving it out of the ad then telling whoever responds that I don't haul, and seeing what happens.

I still have yet to get insurance. Looked into it, but they want me to have a business auto policy. I didn't want to get that taken out until I got a vehicle. So that's a big part of the hangup on insurance (truck). Pricing looked to be ~$1400/yr for $1M liability. Not a showstopper on costs by any means.
 
My work is generally flexible, as I can take a half day here and there easily, which generally I've been doing about $400 per job for that kind of timeframe. Customers seem pretty pleased for the value, and with minimal time investment, I can make any hard costs up for with even one or two jobs per month. 3 or 4 would be a pace I think at this point I could handle.

Putting feelers out and seeing if I can get there with the no-haul bit. If so, wonderful.
 
Liability is cheap and mn at least allows soleproprioters to operate with no comp. If i did it over again itd a chip/dump trailer combo to later be converted into dump/mini hauler and 3/4 ton tool truck or grapple truck and tool truck to haul mini to allow me to do no hauls or contract in just a pickup
 
@LordFarkwad , forgive my ignorance, but do you have any professional experience or training?

Both. But not much compared with about anyone on this forum. I've been doing training on both climbing and tree work for several months off and on, with a local company and a couple of local climbers. That was a big barrier at first, finding local people who were willing to train.

Why do you ask?
 
Both. But not much compared with about anyone on this forum. I've been doing training on both climbing and tree work for several months off and on, with a local company and a couple of local climbers. That was a big barrier at first, finding local people who were willing to train.

Why do you ask?
I thought I recalled seeing a few beginner type questions from you on other posts, but I wasn't sure. I was just felling a little worried that a completely self taught guy was out there doing tree work and perhaps in danger. Ya know, because this type of work is super dangerous. I am glad to hear you have some training and experience. Good luck and be safe!
 
Thanks, rbj. Things really fell into place once I got in touch with some real deal professionals and a company. Don't misunderstand me tho: compared to just about ANYONE, I have so little experience, I feel weird even saying I have experience.
 
If you want to only use a dumpster for your debris, get good at chainsaw chipping. You'll be surprised at how much you can fit into a dumpster. If you load the brush in the same size that you drag it out, you'll be surprised at how little will fit in there.

If go too small make sure you have tip function or the ability to tie a pre loading rope lay to an anchor at tip site to pull out, or you will spend more time unloading than you did loading in the first place.
 
Thanks, rbj. Things really fell into place once I got in touch with some real deal professionals and a company. Don't misunderstand me tho: compared to just about ANYONE, I have so little experience, I feel weird even saying I have experience.
Well, just be super fucking careful and go slow, please. There are a million things that can go wrong in the blink of an eye. I'm sure you have already heard this, so I will stop now.
 
Well, just be super fucking careful and go slow, please. There are a million things that can go wrong in the blink of an eye. I'm sure you have already heard this, so I will stop now.

100% man. It doesn't hurt being reminded, so thank you, and feel free to continue beating the drum. I will eventually post up some vids for critique, as I believe that would be a great feedback mechanism for improving. The newest part of all this is climbing, as I've cut wood for a while, but never in the air. So there are allot of new moving parts that are new. You are right, I have been asking allot of new-sounding questions, precisely because I AM new.
 
Liability is cheap and mn at least allows soleproprioters to operate with no comp. If i did it over again itd a chip/dump trailer combo to later be converted into dump/mini hauler and 3/4 ton tool truck or grapple truck and tool truck to haul mini to allow me to do no hauls or contract in just a pickup

As a one man operation, I'm not required to get WC on myself, but I've been told that I need it for protecting the homeowner from them being liable for something-or-other if I am injured. So it's as much a marketing tool if anything, assuming I understand that right.

Edit: premature enter

Someone set me straight if I'm wrong on the above, about WC.

Can you reword or expend on your "if I had it to do over" part? Are you saying that you would just use a tool truck if you were going solely no-hauls? Or you would use a mini too, for no-hauls? In the latter case, what is the mini for? Moving debris away from base of tree? And how much does a mini weigh?

I've gone back to considering a regular ol' 1/2 ton again, due to the potential of getting enough word out to do no-hauls exclusively (as mentioned, I'm intending investigating this possibility for a little while), and also due to their towing caps - they look reasonably good case on what I was seeing today. With the right packages, it seemed like anywhere from 7k-10klbs could be doable. Could be wrong of course. And besides gas mileage, I'm not exactly sure if the upside of a 1/2 ton. Gahhhh...obviously my thinking is cloudy on all this, still.
 
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You 100% sure? I got a buddy who is a DOL commish that advised me to get a WC policy. I will check again. Maybe I misunderstood.

Check the conditions on any policy - the Workers Comp policies for owner operator here are junk unless you spend some serious coin - but in fine print say that you must have two witnesses for any accident before can file a claim - basically worthless...

Used to be able to get on a business general policy but too many operators tried to scam the system so owner operators not covered here now...
 
I thought I recalled seeing a few beginner type questions from you on other posts, but I wasn't sure. I was just felling a little worried that a completely self taught guy was out there doing tree work and perhaps in danger. Ya know, because this type of work is super dangerous. I am glad to hear you have some training and experience. Good luck and be safe!

People are the biggest danger of tree work.

Judgment doesn't come from the internet, or watching what someone else did (without insight into how and why...what's going on inside the head that you're not seeing?).












If you're not a legal biz, your customers are on the hook, probably/ possibly.


A mini will do all sorta of things. If you're not hauling offsite, or wanting millable logs, you can cut stuff smaller for a smaller mini. A full size mini can go in a trailer with brakes behind a small (1/2 ton) truck, I bet.

Mini's move stuff onsite. If all the wood went to the curb/ driveway/ other drive-up location, along with the brush, or into the woods. you get paid for more work. If you rent a chipper, you can pull the chipper and chip trailer to the work. Chips are easy to get rid off, and can be sold, sometimes, especially with time to set up the sale.

You can find someone with a spare trailer or truck who wants mulch, and have them drive their rig to the job and leave it. You blow directly into their rig, they take and unload. No hauling. Lots of people have dump trailers or regular trailers. Utility plywood and a couple 2x4s for walls are cheap, and reusable, for your friend/ buddy/ enemy/ whoever.

I still have more need at my house for chips, after moving here a year ago.

Sometimes, I'll blow chips into a trailer or service-body truck, and drop that off at a friend's, or have them pick up the trailer of chips (or logs) and unload, even-steven trade/ hookup. No extra rig or driver needed.


A serviceable trailer for a chip-trailer is an easy start, as needed. 12 years ago, I spent $300 on a trailer, added stake pockets, and still use it, one set of tires added. Drove past the guy's place where I bought it for the first time in 12 years, aftering thinking about him the other day, and taking a different route to an old customers house. I could easily sell it for $300, in no time flat. I take my mini/chipper/ trailer places that trucks won't go.

People will be more interested in having beneficial mulch if it is moved to the right spot by someone else (like with a machine). My shorter trailer (5x8x 4' sides) holds about 5 yards, and can be tipped up 40 degrees with the mini, not quite dumping, but really close, so easy to unload, especially if you can dump in several spots (so convenient for the homeowner).

For me, especially with the drought, it's often easy for me to show the customer that I CAN take all their drought-fighting, soil-enriching, competition-reducing, temperature-moderating, moisture holding organic matter to use at my house, or friends', or strangers', selling or being owed favors in the processes.

Also, I keep telling them how dehydrated their trees are. They catch on after I use the dry/ raspy/ dehydrated voice to speak as though I were their tree, many times.

I offer that I can dump chips anywhere their landscaper or they will want them stockpiled, or haul them off, as I have people begging me.

Once people realize that wood chip mulch is in demand, they sometimes don't want to pay to have a resource disposed of, and will put it to good use. Most people are ignorant about mulch.
Some simple pictures on a tablet-computer speaks volumes.




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Judgment doesn't come from the internet, or watching what someone else did (without insight into how and why...what's going on inside the head that you're not seeing?).

If you're not a legal biz, your customers are on the hook, probably/ possibly.

Naw, sst - I'm not talking about watching internet vids (although that is something that I definitely do a lot of, as well as reading); I'm talking about having gotten legit training that I both pay for and get paid for when I'm working as part of a crew. It's basically a coaching session any time I've worked with them.
 

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