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I am trying recreational tree climbing. I can get a rope into a tree, set a base or canopy anchor, SRT ascend up, changeover*, and abseil back down, but nothing more. I want to take the next steps. I have watched a lot of arborist and rec videos to get the lay of the land.

* I am using rock and cave gear for primary ascension to keep this in common with other roped exploration. I am also not prepared for the expense of a saddle or mechanical at this time. If I continue tree climbing I can reevaluate.

I wish to add basic tree climbing techniques to my repertoire and learn enough about trees and tree-climbing to keep my experimentation safe. My immediate goal is simply to advance my TIP beyond what I can throw or properly evaluate from the ground. Lateral movement looks fun but more complicated and possibly risky so I imagine that should wait until later?

I plan to use a long lanyard to climb past my initial TIP. I would use a throw bag clipped to the end of the lanyard rather than a separate throw line. Is this a wise choice? How likely am I to get that irretrievably stuck? In a smooth-barked tree I imagine I could MRS ascend this bare. On a rough-barked tree I think I would need to use a Dan House Rope Sleeve, or to ascend both strands at once.

What should I know before I try this low and slow, and before I try it high up in a tree? What things can go wrong and how should I be prepared to handle them?

I have not found a good guide on how to evaluate trees and tie in points for dependable strength. I seek one.
 
Welcome to tree climbing.

How did you get keyed in on tree climbing? Where have you taken classes so far?

The third edition of The Tree Climber's Companion by Jeff Jepson was just published this month. This is a great investment.

While you're waiting for answers and reading The Companion spend time going throgh the archives here at Treebuzz. All of your questions have been asked and answered many times over in the 24 years of @Treebuzz.com
 
Thanks. I needed a place to practice rope work and found it enjoyable and nostalgic to be up in a tree again for the first time as an adult. I have no training in tree climbing which is why I am seeking domain specific knowledge. I have ordered the book. I will try to use the search better. Is there a more comprehensive guide to evaluating trees for climbing than this? It covers diseased and damaged trees but not species of trees, the strength of different parts of the tree, strength in bending, compression, tension, etc., if the strength of a tree varies with the season or temperature, and other questions like that that I have.
 
Thanks. I needed a place to practice rope work and found it enjoyable and nostalgic to be up in a tree again for the first time as an adult. I have no training in tree climbing which is why I am seeking domain specific knowledge. I have ordered the book. I will try to use the search better. Is there a more comprehensive guide to evaluating trees for climbing than this? It covers diseased and damaged trees but not species of trees, the strength of different parts of the tree, strength in bending, compression, tension, etc., if the strength of a tree varies with the season or temperature, and other questions like that that I have.
Make sure you ordered the 3rd Edition ! ! !
 
Make sure you ordered the 3rd Edition ! ! !
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Welcome to a life time of learning.
Truth. Tree assessment is an art as much as it is science, takes many many hours of observation and experience to expand abilities. There are no specs for limb/branch strength per species. Too many variable, way too many. Skilled working climbers go up into trees that no one should climb "voluntarily". Rec climbers can choose the most "perfect" trees to climb. What is "perfect"? That has to be learned too, there is no textbook.

I recommend posting reports here on your climbs and the gear you use. Posting photographs really helps to understand what's going on. Wear a thick skin, getting defensive when experts (or alleged experts) have strong opinions does not help you learn. @islandarb actually sells thick skin for those who have trouble developing it, he's amazing and his advice is always spot on. If you stick around you'll start to understand who is reliable for sound and relevant advice.

Rec climbing is not work climbing. There are many things in common but to put it bluntly a rec climber is not dragging a chainsaw around a tree, is not rigging big wood, is not on spikes getting their gear gummed up with pitch on a big conifer take-down. You won't need a steel core lanyard for example. The conundrum is that a rec climber needs to be no less vigilant about every step of a climb from ground assessment and tree selection to descending out of a tree, pulling gear and walking away.

Rock and alpine gear will go away with the exception of your helmet and some locking carabiners. There is very little in common when it comes down to technique and rope construction (for example). Tree climbers do not expect their gear to catch falls, dynamic lines are not used for tree climbing. There are very good reasons why.

This is a gradual process, post rec climb reports often, ask questions.
-AJ
 
moss, I was hoping for a reply from you. I have read many of your posts in an effort to self-educate but I know I need direct advice too.

How do I learn tree assessment without unethically breaking limbs with mechanical advantage or making a terrible mistake and falling?

What specifically should I take photographs of?

Regarding gear I hope you will review these thoughts.

I know that a rock climbing harness isn't intended for extended sitting and I can work around that for now. I don't believe I need the work positioning capabilities of an arborist's bridge and rings, and want the stability of central attachment. I will construct a non-PPE bosun's chair if I find that I wish or need to sit around more.

I am climbing on Sterling HTP for SRS. I intend(ed) to use dynamic rope for a long lanyard. Other than accelerated wear on the rope, hopefully mitigated by a Dan House Rope Sleeve, why would I not?

What other "rock and alpine gear" do you have in mind, and why/where is it a problem?
 
I learned rec climbing from a class by TCI. My skills have advanced to sideline tree jobs. I’ve learned a lot from the knowledgeable folks on here. I’d recommend the basic Peter "Treeman" Jenkins, a retired rock and mountain climber-turned tree surgeon, and an ISA-certified arborist. https://www.treeclimbing.com/ and they have on site and at home courses.
You do need to learn DRT and basic non-hardware climbing. Ya never know what you’ll get into better yet, out of with these skills. My 2 cents from another rec climber.
 
You do need to learn DRT and basic non-hardware climbing. Ya never know what you’ll get into better yet, out of with these skills. My 2 cents from another rec climber.
That's what I am trying to do. Is a long lanyard with Brocky's Sticht Hitch a good place to start? I have ordered some 8mm Ocean Polyester.

Does the online class cover things that The Tree Climber's Companion, 3rd Ed., does not? If I get paid instruction I may want it in person as I found that invaluable as an introduction to rock climbing.
 
You need to absorb anything you can from “reliable trusted” sources. Treebuzz, The Tree Climber's Companion, 3rd Ed Is a must read and Tree Climbers International TCI home course is video (Older but very good information) provides visual learning. I think you need to learn hip thrust and Blake’s hitch first old school valuable skill. DRT and SRT. I’m DRT rec climbing most of the time since I’m not in a hurry. For a tall tree 75ft, probably SRT if I’m going to the top of the canopy. Don’t take the “fun” out of the hobby by jumping right into advance stuff…enjoy the experience. IDK of another formal training for rec climbing other than TCI. Tree worker and rec climbers same “basic” skills but different goals. Some of the smarter people will chime in. Craig
 
Why old school….A good friend’s 70 something tree worker’s dad was up in a bucket recently when there was a control issue. The grounds person could not get the bucket to lower. IDK details and yes he should have had a harness on. The point is… he threw a rope over a branch, tied a bowline on a bight saddle and Blake’s hitch to come down. One rope no hardware.
 
@ClimbingTN I am certainly in "sponge mode," absorbing all I can. Incidentally if I question something don't think that I discount it, it's just how I process things.

I first learned to ascend a rope on Prusiks so I did start with basics. When would you employ hip-thrust climbing and why? "Texas" method seems both easier and more broadly applicable.

An arborist spoke to me while I was setting a line in a local park, and after I explained I was just taking my first steps he recommended a class at the community college. There is a one-credit class specifically on tree climbing, within a larger arboriculture program. That is not on the schedule until next winter. If it doesn't come with a bunch of prerequisites I'll probably take it.
 
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Find a medium sized tree with a lot of branches and practice ascending with the alternate lanyard technique.
 
You do not need a rope sleeve for your lanyard. That’s going to be annnoying as hell
Thanks for being the first to respond to this.

I don't know how much rope-on-bark movement it takes to damage a tree or wear out a rope. I thought I would start by using dynamic climbing rope that I already have, accepting that it will wear more quickly, so this could still be an issue.

I plan to use a 50 foot rope for a long lanyard so that I can quickly lower on it to escape bees, or should something happen to my SRS line. It would serve as a secondary climbing system. It was/is on this I thought I might want a rope sleeve.
 
...a class at the community college.

Find out the instructors name and/or company. You might be allowed to observe a crew on a jobsite to see how the dance is done. there's a chance you might find work as a Groundie too. That would but you in more contact with climbing and climbers.

Find out where there are tree climbing competitions nearby. Another way to learn and maybe finding climbing buddies.
 

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