new poster. hello everyone! and first question....

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feethanddooth

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first hi everyone! im very new to climbing (up in a tree only 5 times with no saw) and had a question.

searched but dont know the name for this or if it even exists...


when throwing my climbing line up to another crotch, i dont want to drop it in the event i miss (which is pretty regular right now!) even though i hold the rope with my other hand id like to take one more step of precaution.

is there is clip or line guide i can put on my belt? this way if i do drop the rope it will caught there. i tied it onto one of the rings yesterday but felt there may be some other way to do it so im not tying and untying another knot while up there.


thanks!
 
I usually just pull enough line through my friction hitch when I need to toss higher, unless you're using a closed system.

There is likely some small brass clips on the hips of your belt, if not you can always put some on.
 
Welcome to TreeBuzz!

Tossing the tail of your rope using a monkey fist or hangman's noose as a heaving knot.

Before you toss, pull up a few feet of slack, tie a slip knot or overhand on a bite. Then, clip that to your harness. If you loose the end you'll still be able to yard the end back to yourself.

Do you have a copy of Jepson's 'Tree Climbers Companion'?
 
thanks everyone. didnt realize this forum was so active that the responses would come this fast!

i dont have tree climbers companion by the supervisor mentoring me told me to get a copy. so its on my 'to-do list'.

i probably could use a small caribiner but was curious if there is an actual item used for this purpose.
 
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Sounds like you might consider using a "Split-tail" system.

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I agree. Sounds like you are using your tail for your hitch.
Time for a split tail.

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I think everyone should do time on a tail tied system. I think its important to know. I would do like Tom says. Welcome.
 
If my split tail isn't tied on, I clove hitch my rope to a paddle biner in my harness until it's ready.

If you do it that way, use a LARGE biner with a wide gate.

Glad to have you.
 
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Forget throwing your rope entirely, depending on if your biners are steel or aluminum they can be quite painful in the event you do miss. I've taken a few in the chops and there's nothing that will break your concentration more than a chunk of steel in the teeth.

If the crotch you want to tie into is out of reach tie your regular throwing knot with the bight coming out the top then simply slip it on to the pulley of the pruner head lift it up and through the desired crotch, then pull the pruner cord. The pulley should drop down releasing the throwing knot in a controlled manner. You can't miss, there is no metal projectiles and most importantly it's a lot less frustrating.
 
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I carry a small throwbag on my harness. The throwbag adds a nice weight to the rope and it will lob better than a monkey fist too.
 
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I carry a small throwbag on my harness. The throwbag adds a nice weight to the rope and it will lob better than a monkey fist too.

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I like carrying the 12oz bag as well. Just put the end of the rope through the ring, tie a figure 8 in the end of the rope and throw. I use the slip knot as well on my harness. This trick also makes your throws more consistant becaus you are coiling the same amount of rope each time, and can be coiled back to you to prevent the hockles.
I agree with banjo, spending time on the closed systems is a positive thing for a career, it ensures you always have a way out if something were to happen to your split tail (drop it).
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Re: new poster. hello everyone! and first question

old school for at least three or four months. old schooling also teaches good rope management
 
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"everyone should do time on a tail tied system. I think its important to know."

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old school for at least three or four months. old schooling also teaches good rope management

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I agree to an extent though.
Shall we eliminate the use of a Micro-pulley for the mate as well.
I agree with the idea of starting out on a Tautline or Blakes hitch to understand the basic principles but don't beat it sour. Would a Split-tail using a Blakes Be so much diff?
Seems you could almost say that safety is compromised having to take the time to untie and retie a knot every time.... What happens if we run into the need to "GET OUT" Bee's, Animals...
 
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while that is a possibility it really comes down to learning the full scope. We learned right down to the rope saddle. The ability to work with a closed system is a fundamental tool in the bag. A split-tail is the next gen to learn.

I use to run it through my biner and throw with a bullet or monkey's fist.
 
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Throwlines are part of the basic kit...the same as proper PPE etc. Not using a throwline to set a climbing line is two generations retro.

Look at the medium that we're using to communicate? Not using a throwline is like going back to dial phones. I'm willing to bet that 80% of the active TB users NEVER owned a dial phone.
 
Re: new poster. hello everyone! and first question

hi again and thanks for all the input!

first, i should have explained a little about my experience which is none! i have 1 year experience in the bucket and am going to climbing school starting in may. ive actually climbed 5 times going about 50 feet up tops so far. and i am only working on climbing with out a saw right now. no actual tree work bring done while i am in the tree.

most of the terms you are using(split tail, micro pulley, pruner head) i am unfamiliar with. i did ask the supervisor today what the split tail system was but could not picture it on his explanation so i am going to look online to get a better idea.

i purchased a copy of tree climbers companion and am waiting for that but in the meantime im using what the sup. is showing me and asking a lot of questions.

sorry for the confusion as all of you are giving me advice that i am sure is good but right now i am unable to use. but thats why im here to try and learn more! :)

thank you though for all the replies! i appreciate it alot
 
Re: new poster. hello everyone! and first question

What your sup is showing you is a good basic start to understand all the rest that will come your way as you learn and grow. There are articles, expert speakers and other links on here that can help you gain some knowledge. Good luck with your climbing and remember try anything new "low and slow".

I'd consider an aerial throwline, i.e., one that is carried aloft on your saddle for installing your climb line as second gen item.
 
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