New Jersey tree expert Law

This thread has risen and taken form from one of my previous questions in the business section (numbers make my head hurt). It pertains to the new law being put in place in New Jersey that states you must be a certified new jersey tree expert (an extensive exam must be taken to become one) or have proof that you have operated your tree care company while having the proper insurance for 6 years.

I don't know much about the law, and I'm relying heavily on those more informed than myself but I feel it is in important topic to talk about, especially with the dead line looming in the not so distant future.

There's a few issues I have with this otherwise great law.

1. Just because you've run your business for 6 years and have had valid insurance doesn't mean your a tree care expert. I know plenty of guys that have boots that have been in this business longer then I have yet they know about as much as those same boots when it comes to proper arborcare. This exception to the rule seems to protect about 90% of the companys in my area that continue to do poor arborcare

2. With the soon to he in stated law saying you must be a certified new jersey tree expert, I fear that this will kill off the ISA as we know it. I am a newly certified ISA Arborist. My certification doesn't do squat for me as far as an exemption to this law goes. Personally, I'm still glad to be ISA certified but what's the point of this certification here in jersey if it doesn't do anything for me as far as being able to practice arborcare? the ISA has uses member funds to keep afloat. After this law passed, what's the point of keeping up with your ISA membership? I for one plan on keeping my ISA cert til the day I die, especially because when I get CEU's to maintain my New Jersey Tree Expert certification I can use those CEU's for my ISA cert as well.

That's it for now. Anyone that can step up and shed some light on this new law is greatly appreciated.
 
bite the bullet and take the test.
I get drive all over most days and encounter horrible treework.
It runs the gammit from C.T.E., I.S.A. to just pick-up joe.
Most of the work sucks, regardless of who does it.
Education is the only answer.
Fighting this whole thing is useless.
For every guy who says "I do good tree work and I am not certified" there are 99 others who do bad work and aren't certified.
I would hedge to bet the numbers are better for someone who has spent the time to get certified and could lose a license for poor practices.
 
agreed! M powell,I could definitely shed some light,but details and enforcement are what is being worked out now.It will still be 6-9 months to possibly a year before the law has its teeth.With your desire to learn and grow this new chapter will not be a net negative for you but a net gain!
The Cte exam is the oldest trade exam in the nation (as I Remember) but has never been law!! With all of the other trades you need to have a license for, it is way over due! and we are too proud a trade NOT to have this!Are there still hack electricians,plumbers, and builders?..... You betcha and there will still be tree hacks!! This is by no means a magic bullet but another step in the right direction on the road called life.....WE could totally do coffee or a phone chat?! A rain day at haddonfield Starbucks sounds like the thing!!! I would do my best to inform you and give you some contact info!!
 
Whenever you're ready for that coffee Paul give me a shout I'm game

Cutten, I'm not fighting the cert, actually looking forward to the challenge and education, I just have questions. Questioning things is what I do. It's american!
 
also cutten, what bet are we hedging here? we talking dollars and sense cause i could use a couple extra bucks. my boss is ISA certified and still to this day cant sell proper arborcare to save his life. I thought that once he got an education in the field that maybe things would change for the better. I was wrong. Im pretty sure he forgot everything before we dropped our pencils and got back to the truck after test day. Just about every job we go to ends up getting re written by myself (why remove such a huge branch for clearance when theres a perfectly acceptable secondary to cut back to? Why only prun that smaller branch that will be a consistant problem in the future when you could remove it now, creating a much smaller wound then if we let it linger year after year)

my questions are valid. I'd be interested to see the other side of it from paul and yourself and anyone else that knows more on the subject. Dont take me questioning the certification as me deying it, actually this is just the opposite. I'm trying to grow a better understanding of the law so that i can fully embrace it! In theory its an amazing law and an even more amazing feat to have come this far, and even better its right here in my own back yard
 
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Family the bet if for CTE's. I was at the tree conference and enforcement is a serious thing. Who enforces anything ISA? There will be a 9 member board with bright, educated and motivated individuals to hopefully monitor the progression of this law. Questions are good. I certainly wouldn't discourage anyone from being inquisitive.
Again tho who would take the isa cert away? Being tied to a law I think(albeit probably naively)will mean more. Way more to lose.
 
I hear you on this issue Family, Here in MD it is the same way. You have to be a MD L.T.E.(licensed tree expert) to operate a tree business. So here is the kicker a few years ago the Dept. of Natural resources started cracking down on guys with a truck and saw and guys with tree companies but no license(but still didint know squat about tree care.) You know the guys who still top trees and if a tree has a dead branch its dying have to cut it down. Anyway, they started to complain saying they been in business for x amount of years and never had a license blah blah blah. So DNR said show us tax records and proof in insurance for the past 5 years and you will be "Grandfathered" in. While I myself worked under a tree expert for 5 yeras, took an Exam and earned my LTE. So the LTE numbers went from 400 or so to over 1600 overnight. But even after my 5 years to take the exam I had to get my previous employers to sign a document saying yes I did work for them, Reputable companies too wont say names but they rhyme with Fartlett, They refuse to sign for the fact I would be competition so I had to use tax records to prove I had worked the 5 years.
 
Trying to dig up some info on this. I only read about it on this site and would like to be ahead of the game if I am not already behind
 

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