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You really want the Govt telling companies what they can and cant pay their employees?

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That makes a lot of sense in plenty of instances.

The country was not really built on minimum wage laws.

The US was not built on anti-descrimination laws either. And look how those laws screwed up job hiring in many places, to the end that whites could not be hired.

With minimum wage, that can mess up the job market too. Some jobs are not really worth minimum wage or a living wage.
 
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The country was not really built on minimum wage laws.

The US was not built on anti-descrimination laws either.

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No, but it was built on slavery and indentured servitude.
 
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The country was not really built on minimum wage laws.

The US was not built on anti-descrimination laws either.

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No, but it was built on slavery and indentured servitude.

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As was every other country of that time. We were one of the first to stop the practice. Some countries still condone and promote this. maybe you should be bashing them for their current practices, and not our past practices.
 
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Like Treehumper said, if more people in this country made a living wage more people would be contributing to the tax system.

So, which do you want, more people contributing to the tax burden of America, or more people getting assistance. I'm sorry man, but you can't have it both ways.

To answer your question, yes, I think the Govt should impose a much higher minimum wage, one that people can live on and contribute to society.
 
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The country was not really built on minimum wage laws.

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No, but it was built on slavery and indentured servitude.

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As was every other country of that time. We were one of the first to stop the practice. Some countries still condone and promote this. maybe you should be bashing them for their current practices, and not our past practices.

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I'm not "bashing" its just a fact.
 
By the way that 11% is considered a fair or flat tax.fair because it is a flat rate.If you make a buck you pay 10 cents.if you make 100000 you pay ten gs. So it is fair because as your gross goes up so does your contribution!! the unseen beauty of this is that you do away with the current tax code and just about eliminate the IRS. Hello people....WAKE UP!! this also means no more crazy tax forms etc.
This dude Laffer has done the math and says it would fully fund the govt, including education and military
 
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You really want the Govt telling companies what they can and cant pay their employees?

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Like Treehumper said, if more people in this country made a living wage more people would be contributing to the tax system.

So, which do you want, more people contributing to the tax burden of America, or more people getting assistance. I'm sorry man, but you can't have it both ways.

To answer your question, yes, I think the Govt should impose a much higher minimum wage, one that people can live on and contribute to society.

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Why cant people who make a low wage live off of it? Try not extending your credit, or living beyond your means. Is it their choice to be at the job they are at? Yes. is it their freedom to eductate, or improve themselves to move onto another job?

I want EVERYONE contributing to the tax burden our current president just gave us. EVERYONE. I want the welfare systme deleted and to start over, I want the Govt out of private citizens business, and employers business. I want less Govt, period. Like Tai said a simple flat tax would almost eliminate the IRS. There would be NO deductions, skips, exemptions, etc. Pay the flat tax and your all set! This would also reduce state and federal income taxes as well. And potentially reduce local taxes like meals, drinks, sins, excise, etc. A flat tax is the only FAIR way to run a country.
 
BB...you are being way too simplistic here. Any sort of flat tax idea has always had a 'poverty' level where no one pays a tax. Then it kicks in.

There are plenty of people who do not have a choice in what life has dealt them. It's easy to think that life deals everyone the hand that you see but that just ain't so. Look around at your family and friends. Have the cards been dealt fairly?
 
there is definitly still slavery in America. Dont think that has gone by the wayside. Check out some of the conditions that strawberry pickers and migrant labor conditions are like in Florida and Texas.
 
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BB...you are being way too simplistic here. Any sort of flat tax idea has always had a 'poverty' level where no one pays a tax. Then it kicks in.

There are plenty of people who do not have a choice in what life has dealt them. It's easy to think that life deals everyone the hand that you see but that just ain't so. Look around at your family and friends. Have the cards been dealt fairly?

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What is true poverty level? Seriously. Is it a drug addict living in a Govt funded apartment? A mom with no job on Govt subsidies? Someone who has lost everything, and is rebuilding? What is POVERTY? You libs love to throw these words out there to make the rest of us feel bad about not supporting socialism and welfare programs. Please explain.

Even if say 10% of the nation was POVERTY stricken, and thus paid NO taxes, we would still be 37% ahead of where we are now!
 
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There are plenty of people who do not have a choice in what life has dealt them. It's easy to think that life deals everyone the hand that you see but that just ain't so. Look around at your family and friends. Have the cards been dealt fairly?

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I agree with this statement, however, there are more people who choose to do nothing and live off of the government. That is one reason why we pay so much taxes.

I say flat tax on everyone above poverty level, kick out the 30 million illegal immigrants(instead of giving them benefits which our tax dollars pay for) and quit giving welfare to people who do not need it.
 
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The country was not really built on minimum wage laws.

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That's exactly what minimum wage laws and many other regulations become.

People who promote strict wage laws and mandantory benefits, basically become the slavemasters, where the business owners are the slaves to implement their will.

Its a different kind of slavery.

Also, the last time I brushed up on my history. It seems that this country was built on sacrifice and hardwork, and some risk. Not everbody was a slavemaster.
 
I also agree to a point about fair and unfair. i could say that I was not "dealt a fair hand" along with many others.....who transcended their circumstances and overcame instead of becoming mired in self pitty ,blaming someone and expecting a handout!
I do believe in compassion......just not government mandated compassion.......my tithes and gifts should really be private!! and I also believe it is an obligation of the haves to share with those who have not.....AGAIN.....just not government mandated. inMY opinion that is not the governments roll
 
For the record when i state my opinion i fully recognize that I will most likly NOT bring someone along to my side. I argue mostly for clarity ......so that maybe clear differences can be seen between opposing schools of thought. If we (me included)take that approach into our debates i think the tenor of our disagreements may become more civil.
 
bb, imagine you find out tomorrow you have serious cancer. Then imagine your HMO decides not to pay because when you signed up you forgot to mention that time 12 years ago when you went to the doctor because you had the flu. Now you have hundreds of thousands in debt and likely can't do your physical job, maybe not even office work. You are sick from chemo and can't look for a new job (or educate yourself effectively). You're just sitting around at home feeling sorry for yourself. Do you think our society should cut you off and watch you rot?

If you can let go of that acid that's eating away at your belly over the few people who are milking the system, you might realize that most who are below the poverty line are trying hard against very tough odds (often working multiple jobs that make education--or even applying for better jobs--impractical or impossible), and that any of us might end up there in a hurry through no fault of our own, and that living in a compassionate society benefits everyone.

The amount of your taxes that pays for social programs pales in comparison to, say, the military budget. Your after-tax income is still likely some multiple of the pre-tax income of those folks who are paying no income tax. You can afford it. Stop whining.
 
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Why cant people who make a low wage live off of it? Try not extending your credit, or living beyond your means. Is it their choice to be at the job they are at? Yes. is it their freedom to eductate, or improve themselves to move onto another job?

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Try not being so judgmental its not as simple as you wish it was.

There is a book called "Ain't No Makin' It" I think you should read. I will send you my copy if you'll read it.

In New York minimum wage is 7.25. At that rate a 40 hour work week will earn you about 290 before taxes. I dare you to try live on that kind of money and see if you still sing the same tune.
 
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Why cant people who make a low wage live off of it? Try not extending your credit, or living beyond your means. Is it their choice to be at the job they are at? Yes. is it their freedom to eductate, or improve themselves to move onto another job?

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Try not being so judgmental its not as simple as you wish it was.

There is a book called "Ain't No Makin' It" I think you should read. I will send you my copy if you'll read it.

In New York minimum wage is 7.25. At that rate a 40 hour work week will earn you about 290 before taxes. I dare you to try live on that kind of money and see if you still sing the same tune.

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I am a self made and self eductaed man who was brought up with addict parents, living on wlefare. DONT TELL ME I DONT KNOW!
 
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bb, imagine you find out tomorrow you have serious cancer. Then imagine your HMO decides not to pay because when you signed up you forgot to mention that time 12 years ago when you went to the doctor because you had the flu. Now you have hundreds of thousands in debt and likely can't do your physical job, maybe not even office work. You are sick from chemo and can't look for a new job (or educate yourself effectively). You're just sitting around at home feeling sorry for yourself. Do you think our society should cut you off and watch you rot?

If you can let go of that acid that's eating away at your belly over the few people who are milking the system, you might realize that most who are below the poverty line are trying hard against very tough odds (often working multiple jobs that make education--or even applying for better jobs--impractical or impossible), and that any of us might end up there in a hurry through no fault of our own, and that living in a compassionate society benefits everyone.

The amount of your taxes that pays for social programs pales in comparison to, say, the military budget. Your after-tax income is still likely some multiple of the pre-tax income of those folks who are paying no income tax. You can afford it. Stop whining.

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I agree! See? There we agree on something. We DO need welfare and helathcare OPTIONS for those who are TRULY down and out. The current system sucked and didnt work, the new system is going to exemplify those problems dramatically. We need someone with the balls to start fresh, IMO.
 
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Why cant people who make a low wage live off of it? Try not extending your credit, or living beyond your means. Is it their choice to be at the job they are at? Yes. is it their freedom to eductate, or improve themselves to move onto another job?

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Try not being so judgmental its not as simple as you wish it was.

There is a book called "Ain't No Makin' It" I think you should read. I will send you my copy if you'll read it.

In New York minimum wage is 7.25. At that rate a 40 hour work week will earn you about 290 before taxes. I dare you to try live on that kind of money and see if you still sing the same tune.

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I am a self made and self eductaed man who was brought up with addict parents, living on wlefare. DONT TELL ME I DONT KNOW!

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I know that you are a very hard working self made man, I have TONS of respect for that.
 
Why must liberal arguements always go to the extreme?
Person 1 ,im against abortion!
liberal,what if a stray dog lets say a mut ran up and raped the neighbors daughter,and she concieved a half doghuman ,would you be against it then!!? hmmm would you ,huh,would you
Person 1 i believe people should be self reliant and pay their own way!
Liberal, What if it was a hard working young man who worked on a farm ,he worked so hard he fell asleep near a dung heep , a dung beetle crawled in his rectum and ate his liver perhaps w some favre beans and a nice chianti,now he is handi-capable and cannot work ,and because of the humiliation he cannot leave his house.who is gonna help this person? have you no compassion?
person 1,that guy is guilty of premeditated murder,lets hang him
Liberal,his mommy didnt love him enough,so he felt ashamed then the kids in school taunted him .he lashed out because noone liked him, if we love up on him maybe we can turn him around.
 
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