Nearly half of America paid no tax

We agree on two things, then. Unfortunately, someone with the balls to start fresh would have them kicked black and blue by the defenders of the status quo (which, from where I'm sitting, appears to be what just happened to the health care bill).
 
What should we do about those that take advantage of the system and have millions? The same argument applies to corporate welfare.


Would wages be higher without minimum wage laws? I doubt that. Companies seek ways around paying fair wages all the time. Pay minimum but reduce hours to PT for example.

To put a stop to illegal immigration, like drug dealing, the demand needs to dry up. Businesses need to stop hiring illegals, along with private citizens that will run down to the corner to pick up a few day labourers to do work around the house.

Charity should be a private thing with those that have being willing to give to those that need. But that doesn't happen in any way near what is required.

If all these things happened then we would see plenty of jobs for those that are on welfare making enough to live on.

FWIW, I too have come from a less than advantageous situation and have got back on my feet. Individual examples do not make for enough evidence to support the if I can do it then so can they argument.

I have worked leading a program for welfare recipients to find jobs on their own. The range and complexity of problems are beyond a one size fits all solution. On top of that is the moving target economy.

How about senior executives being willing to earn a more modest income and tie their lowest annual income in a company to the top income?
 
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How about senior executives being willing to earn a more modest income and tie their lowest annual income in a company to the top income?

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Sounds like socialism...and I mean that in the best possible interpretation of the term. For the middle class, blue collar worker, their value is based on what they generate/create to grow the company/society. How come there are sooo many examples of top level execs, Fat Cats, getting bonuses and compensation from making bad decisions?
 
THat is a bad thing Tom.......does that count for teachers and municipal workers or union members who get way above and i mean way above average income ,benefits ,and pensions who make bad decisions?? in nj we have 4600 state workers making over 100,000 annual incomes and the state is broke.Is this somehow the fault of "fat cat " executives? Or fat cat do little workers? Not trying to start an arguement just playing the other side.
Did you know that the largest increase in jobs earning over 100,000 a year was in the public sector.While those same jobs in the private sector went down!! yet noone cries foul!? how many of us are putting 100,000 into you PAY checks each year? And if you are ......you are working your tail off for it!! Amen? We are growing the size of government and it is tax money that pays these folks.....and oh by the way who would vote OUT a person who gave them a government job paying that kind of money?
 
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Good at negotiating their contracts/wage agreements. Just like th eprivate sector, when you come up for review and are looking for a $5,000 raise, the co. says no way $3000 is all. You negotiate till something owrks out for both. Legal contracts are binding unfortunately. Most times theyre great, everyone wins. Other times, like when the economy crashes, the co. is losing money, and the bonuses still must be paid per the agreement.



Tai

Excellent poiint. We have Firefighters in Boston, DISPATCHERS to be exact, who get hazard pay. HAZARD pay. Because they are on the clock, and if need be, COULD respond to an emergency, IF NEEDED to. So they are on full hazard pay. Which is quite a substantial difference in hourly pay, shift differentials, OENSION, etc.
 
while you may be right in complaining about the unionized public sector what about the problem of disparate income levels between the "fat cats" and those that work the frontlines for them to achieve their wealth?

I'm not talking about socialism but about social responsibility borne individually by those at the top. Simply to acknowledge the contribution to their success by their employees through limiting their own incomes and tying the lowest wages in the company to the top income. Total income that is.
 
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