National 13110a, new to me

Now that's looks like the perfect application for a bucket, and just what I had in mind, good picture! I gave a lot of thought on the bucket size.... and final expense was part of it. So I got the less expensive but larger steel one, thinking if working close I can fill it, further away I won't. I plan on using a 8' x 1/2" wire rope sling (which I never use anyways, preferring fabric slings for almost all my picks) and a shackle, just to keep the headache ball out of the mud, hopefully.

Been around concrete enough to hear you about the washout, it's critical. Also, how it can splatter long distances, I had some on a motorcycle fender that never came off, amazing. Spraying it down with a release agent first I didn't think of, but it was suggested to me by a buddy who's a full time concrete guy, good idea. I'm assuming I can mooch off the ready mix trucks water system for my washout, I know a lot of them and they have always been easy to get along with, we'll see. Worst case I can set up my own water system, got the room and the know how, plus it'd be handy for other uses.

The only time I have used a bucket (piece of junk, now scrapped it was so bad) was spreading gravel. So, I also plan to hit up the various landscapers and the outfits that sell decorative gravel, gravel weight is no doubt less then concrete, I'll find out. I'll post a picture of mine, right now it's still on the pallet it arrived on, $3400.oo BTW, free freight.
 
Courierguy said:
Now that's looks like the perfect application for a bucket, and just what I had in mind, good picture! I gave a lot of thought on the bucket size.... and final expense was part of it. So I got the less expensive but larger steel one, thinking if working close I can fill it, further away I won't. I plan on using a 8' x 1/2" wire rope sling (which I never use anyways, preferring fabric slings for almost all my picks) and a shackle, just to keep the headache ball out of the mud, hopefully.

Been around concrete enough to hear you about the washout, it's critical. Also, how it can splatter long distances, I had some on a motorcycle fender that never came off, amazing. Spraying it down with a release agent first I didn't think of, but it was suggested to me by a buddy who's a full time concrete guy, good idea. I'm assuming I can mooch off the ready mix trucks water system for my washout, I know a lot of them and they have always been easy to get along with, we'll see. Worst case I can set up my own water system, got the room and the know how, plus it'd be handy for other uses.

The only time I have used a bucket (piece of junk, now scrapped it was so bad) was spreading gravel. So, I also plan to hit up the various landscapers and the outfits that sell decorative gravel, gravel weight is no doubt less then concrete, I'll find out. I'll post a picture of mine, right now it's still on the pallet it arrived on, $3400.oo BTW, free freight.
Click to expand...
 
I backed out of a LED bill board setting job yesterday, after visiting the site twice in my car and eyeballing things. I then went down to the local utility and gave them a headsup. They indicated they were familiar with the project (the 16" 20' high pipe was planted last week) and that they would PROBABLY have a line crew there to wrap the lines. The next morning I show up and no line crew, I was told that we were 1' away from the 8' limit from the main feeder lines, so 9', so I was on my own. Then for the first time I talk with one of the sign guys involved with installing the steel pipe the week before, he commented that the ground was saturated even 8' down, and that there must be a spring or something in the area.

This got my attention big time. Then I look at my right outrigger: on lots of padding but on asphalt a couple inches from the building. We know that the soil there was disturbed when digging the footings (10 years ago anyway) and whether the soil has sunk leaving the OK looking asphalt with a void underneath is unknowable util the 14 K load is swung over that side, no way to "sneak up on it", and yet another set of power lines (smaller, just feeding a small commercial building) waiting just down stream in case that outrigger settles. The left outrigger is on a small stretch of lawn, that was soft to walk on. The busiest street in town is 8' to my side, with no traffic cones or traffic diversion in effect.

I tell the sign guys (I work with them often, a good crew and on my side) that I have a bad feeling..... but I go ahead and set up anyway. I lift the sign off the trailer, and find it only weighs a bit over 12K. They pull the trailer out and now it's decision time: I need to winch up 20' to lift it over the building right next to me on the right (which had people in it) and then swing 160 degrees and THEN find out how solid my footing was, now with power lines on BOTH sides, (both in the fall zone, in effect) and with traffic whizzing by on my left at 40 MPH. I paused for a couple minutes and then told them to grab some stickers, I was setting it down on the sidewalk while they called in a bigger crane. I had run through the #'s if that suspect ground was as wimpy as I feared: a re placement crane, paying for a new $80,000.00 LED billboard, repair or replacement of the commercial building alongside of me, a lawsuit over loss of biz while they rebuilt, another lawsuit for loss of revenue from taking the powerlines out, which feed Pocatello's "miracle mile/main drag", and several more lawsuits from crushed or electrocuted, or both, passing motorists. Not to mention getting fried myself.

All this for a job that I could bill for maybe $350.00, as it would only take 1.5 hr at most from setup to driving off. I had three more jobs lined up that day, several others in days to come, none to my knowledge remotely involving putting my nuts on the chopping block like this one. I have yet to talk to the head honcho at the sign company, and I see the next day the sign was set in place. I sent him a bill for 50 bucks "off loading trailer", and have since decided I will call him and tell him to tear the bill up, no charge! My bill had a brief list of my concerns and why I pulled off, and while I expect no hassle from him for the wasted time, you never know..... but if he gives me the slightest hint of displeasure with my decision, I will for sure tell him to attempt impossible acts of self flagellation. I do know that I have been high fiveing myself since backing out of that job, I still have a crane, no new lawsuits, no newspaper headlines, and my life. A no brainer in retrospect of course. The picture shows the installed sign, note the power pole right behind on the right side, and the big boys (main feeder lines I was told) on the left, screw that.IMG_20150903_125410_875.webp
 
if it doesn't feel good it usually isn't. your instincts may change slightly as your feel for your machine gets better, but no shame in erring on the side of caution. just for your own piece of mind, as the sign guys next time you work with them how the task was carried out and with what size machine. every job is a learning opportunity.
Courierguy said:
I backed out of a LED bill board setting job yesterday, after visiting the site twice in my car and eyeballing things. I then went down to the local utility and gave them a headsup. They indicated they were familiar with the project (the 16" 20' high pipe was planted last week) and that they would PROBABLY have a line crew there to wrap the lines. The next morning I show up and no line crew, I was told that we were 1' away from the 8' limit from the main feeder lines, so 9', so I was on my own. Then for the first time I talk with one of the sign guys involved with installing the steel pipe the week before, he commented that the ground was saturated even 8' down, and that there must be a spring or something in the area.

This got my attention big time. Then I look at my right outrigger: on lots of padding but on asphalt a couple inches from the building. We know that the soil there was disturbed when digging the footings (10 years ago anyway) and whether the soil has sunk leaving the OK looking asphalt with a void underneath is unknowable util the 14 K load is swung over that side, no way to "sneak up on it", and yet another set of power lines (smaller, just feeding a small commercial building) waiting just down stream in case that outrigger settles. The left outrigger is on a small stretch of lawn, that was soft to walk on. The busiest street in town is 8' to my side, with no traffic cones or traffic diversion in effect.

I tell the sign guys (I work with them often, a good crew and on my side) that I have a bad feeling..... but I go ahead and set up anyway. I lift the sign off the trailer, and find it only weighs a bit over 12K. They pull the trailer out and now it's decision time: I need to winch up 20' to lift it over the building right next to me on the right (which had people in it) and then swing 160 degrees and THEN find out how solid my footing was, now with power lines on BOTH sides, (both in the fall zone, in effect) and with traffic whizzing by on my left at 40 MPH. I paused for a couple minutes and then told them to grab some stickers, I was setting it down on the sidewalk while they called in a bigger crane. I had run through the #'s if that suspect ground was as wimpy as I feared: a re placement crane, paying for a new $80,000.00 LED billboard, repair or replacement of the commercial building alongside of me, a lawsuit over loss of biz while they rebuilt, another lawsuit for loss of revenue from taking the powerlines out, which feed Pocatello's "miracle mile/main drag", and several more lawsuits from crushed or electrocuted, or both, passing motorists. Not to mention getting fried myself.

All this for a job that I could bill for maybe $350.00, as it would only take 1.5 hr at most from setup to driving off. I had three more jobs lined up that day, several others in days to come, none to my knowledge remotely involving putting my nuts on the chopping block like this one. I have yet to talk to the head honcho at the sign company, and I see the next day the sign was set in place. I sent him a bill for 50 bucks "off loading trailer", and have since decided I will call him and tell him to tear the bill up, no charge! My bill had a brief list of my concerns and why I pulled off, and while I expect no hassle from him for the wasted time, you never know..... but if he gives me the slightest hint of displeasure with my decision, I will for sure tell him to attempt impossible acts of self flagellation. I do know that I have been high fiveing myself since backing out of that job, I still have a crane, no new lawsuits, no newspaper headlines, and my life. A no brainer in retrospect of course. The picture shows the installed sign, note the power pole right behind on the right side, and the big boys (main feeder lines I was told) on the left, screw that.View attachment 33278
Click to expand...

Courierguy said:
I backed out of a LED bill board setting job yesterday, after visiting the site twice in my car and eyeballing things. I then went down to the local utility and gave them a headsup. They indicated they were familiar with the project (the 16" 20' high pipe was planted last week) and that they would PROBABLY have a line crew there to wrap the lines. The next morning I show up and no line crew, I was told that we were 1' away from the 8' limit from the main feeder lines, so 9', so I was on my own. Then for the first time I talk with one of the sign guys involved with installing the steel pipe the week before, he commented that the ground was saturated even 8' down, and that there must be a spring or something in the area.

This got my attention big time. Then I look at my right outrigger: on lots of padding but on asphalt a couple inches from the building. We know that the soil there was disturbed when digging the footings (10 years ago anyway) and whether the soil has sunk leaving the OK looking asphalt with a void underneath is unknowable util the 14 K load is swung over that side, no way to "sneak up on it", and yet another set of power lines (smaller, just feeding a small commercial building) waiting just down stream in case that outrigger settles. The left outrigger is on a small stretch of lawn, that was soft to walk on. The busiest street in town is 8' to my side, with no traffic cones or traffic diversion in effect.

I tell the sign guys (I work with them often, a good crew and on my side) that I have a bad feeling..... but I go ahead and set up anyway. I lift the sign off the trailer, and find it only weighs a bit over 12K. They pull the trailer out and now it's decision time: I need to winch up 20' to lift it over the building right next to me on the right (which had people in it) and then swing 160 degrees and THEN find out how solid my footing was, now with power lines on BOTH sides, (both in the fall zone, in effect) and with traffic whizzing by on my left at 40 MPH. I paused for a couple minutes and then told them to grab some stickers, I was setting it down on the sidewalk while they called in a bigger crane. I had run through the #'s if that suspect ground was as wimpy as I feared: a re placement crane, paying for a new $80,000.00 LED billboard, repair or replacement of the commercial building alongside of me, a lawsuit over loss of biz while they rebuilt, another lawsuit for loss of revenue from taking the powerlines out, which feed Pocatello's "miracle mile/main drag", and several more lawsuits from crushed or electrocuted, or both, passing motorists. Not to mention getting fried myself.

All this for a job that I could bill for maybe $350.00, as it would only take 1.5 hr at most from setup to driving off. I had three more jobs lined up that day, several others in days to come, none to my knowledge remotely involving putting my nuts on the chopping block like this one. I have yet to talk to the head honcho at the sign company, and I see the next day the sign was set in place. I sent him a bill for 50 bucks "off loading trailer", and have since decided I will call him and tell him to tear the bill up, no charge! My bill had a brief list of my concerns and why I pulled off, and while I expect no hassle from him for the wasted time, you never know..... but if he gives me the slightest hint of displeasure with my decision, I will for sure tell him to attempt impossible acts of self flagellation. I do know that I have been high fiveing myself since backing out of that job, I still have a crane, no new lawsuits, no newspaper headlines, and my life. A no brainer in retrospect of course. The picture shows the installed sign, note the power pole right behind on the right side, and the big boys (main feeder lines I was told) on the left, screw that.View attachment 33278
Click to expand...
 
That soggy ground was the deal breaker, just too weird. I could just see, or at least imagine, a big leached out void beneath the asphalt, and right where I'd be loading that outrigger the most was right where I'd have no good options thanks to the power lines. Just too tight all around.

I have been real busy with the National since I got it, doing a wide variety of work, and feel at this point real comfortable and familiar with it's capabilities. Yesterday we were setting framed and sheeted 2 story wall sections on a hill side house, and the contractor asked if I could come back in the morning as he was apprehensive of the winds effect. The two small walls we had already set were exciting enough, this last one was 3 times the size. It was then I pointed out to him he had been fighting the wind, I suggested that we pick the last wall sideways to the wind, obvious but I had to tell him.....anyway, it was a bit tricky picking that wall up to vertical up on the (unseen by me) third floor, and then real quickly swinging, booming back, and winching down into the lower floor area. It went great, point being I am REAL happy with the control responsiveness, and just how the 1300 operates as compared to the previous Manitex. Then again, I partially ripped off my pretty stainless steel bumper driving out of the building site, the 101S was shorter coupled with more ground clearance and was great for "off road". No big loss, I had planned to replace that city bumper with a country one, one that will be higher and most importantly have easy to get at main frame tow hooks. The current bumper has no provisions for getting a pull.

I have been reading up on the DOT specs on rear bumpers, and a careful perusal of the rules show I DO NOT have to comply with the over the road semi crash bar regs. One reason is I am not involved with "interstate transport of goods." But the key phrase is that the Mack came from the factory with NO rear bumper, just a bare ass chassis, if it had I'd be forced to keep to it's design, or very similar. There seems to be a loophole for construction related equipment, seen any rear bumpers on a dump truck lately? The old bumper had what amounted to a bottom scoop, any slight ground contact and the bottom flange would burrow deeper in effect, like a down angled dozer blade. The new will be more of a skid plate design, so even if contact is made it will ride up and over whatever. It won't be all that much higher, just a few inches higher then the semi crash bars, but due to a particular lady officer at the Port of Entry on the interstate I go through a few times a month, I plan to carry a copy of the regs so when and if I am called in, I can avoid a ticket. She got me once for my mud flaps being 2 " too high!
 
I don't recall the actual distance, but the regs here state that if the wheels are further than 3' ( I think) from the rear of the body you need a bumper, that's why dump trucks don't need one since their rear axles are so close to the back. You may want to look up your intrastate regs to see if your bumper has to be a certain height from the ground.
 
classictruckman said:
I don't recall the actual distance, but the regs here state that if the wheels are further than 3' ( I think) from the rear of the body you need a bumper, that's why dump trucks don't need one since their rear axles are so close to the back. You may want to look up your intrastate regs to see if your bumper has to be a certain height from the ground.
Click to expand...
i believe it can be no higher than 30" and must be 60" wide. the specs for construction are extremely vague.
 
Yes there are some requirements relative to distance from the wheels, but it's somewhat unclear if that is waived if it didn't come setup from the factory that way. I will try to split the difference and hope to come close enough to get through the port!
 
f20a8b4d000cc997f9e46bb861beba12.jpg
. Here is a bumper/lightbar/outrigger pad rack I built a month or so ago for the national 14127


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Thanks for those pics, good idea on the dunnage storage. It looks like you have that real close to the rear stab Josh, that's what I'm shooting for. Right now my bumper is to the rear quite a bit, more then it needs to be, that and too low is the problem. Close as possible to the rearmost structure will help a lot. One thing I have to have is a trailer hitch, but putting it down where I need it for towing my car means I am real limited as to where I can go, (too low) so a flip down design, or removable, is needed. That's what I had on the Manitex anyway. By the time I figure the hitch and the tow hooks out, the rest of it should fall into place. The big problem is getting it home in my shop for a few days without missing work, so meanwhile I'm driving around with a buggered up (but legal) rear end.
 
My chart said I was good for 41,500 when we set up to lift it. I backed up as close to it as I could literally 2 inches from it. Picked it straight up the truck pulled out and sat it straight down


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

New threads New posts

Back
Top Bottom