Chaplain242
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Can’t do that with palms if taking the head...
Munter hitch for lowering limbs
- Thread starter Neill
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I have exactly no experience with palm trees, how heavy are they on a scale of something like pine to oak (a language I understand)
id figure, a ring and small portawrap, or a wrap around the tree would be good enough, kinda hard to put wraps on limbs when the tree doesnt have limbs
Chaplain242
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If using groundys a portawrap works, but When doing solo the head will impact whatever you are using - when doing heads that weigh 180-250 lbs one doesn’t want long falls before it hits, and off centre belays systems have a very high chance of slipping around the trunk.
A munter has the lowest energy negative rigging as it’s so compact, and a steel biner isn’t going to get damaged.
the point I was making is that it is another tool in the toolbox that is useful enough to make it worthy of remembering...
very valid point
I have many little tricks that ive only used once or twice, but saved my butt
such as running a bight of climb line thru my side D, and clipping an HMS carabiner thru it, and using that for added friction when rappelling, kinda hard to explain, but I think you get the idea, maybe its time I design an Arial friction device specific for what your talking about
small, light, mid line attachable, throw in ideas
Phil
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Oak Lawn, IL
I do some simple self wraps on the line from time to time. Light duty stuff, straight down rigs, add or remove wraps to change friction.I'm going to toy around with the munter. Its a good one to be familiar with for sure.
Sometimes the limb is the one you're on.
Chaplain242
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Yes can physically do it, but have had enough slings rotate around trunk when I tried it is no longer a method I will use
I think Buckingham or somebody makes a really small porta wrap. I saw it on the internet and thiught that it was interestingbut probably too big or heavy. Then my boss bought one recently but I haven't had the chance to use it yet though after seeing it in person I can't believe how small it is and would totally use it for stuff like this. I totally forgot he got that and this thread reminds me I should put that thing in the truck Tuesday when we go back to work.
dmonn
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- Location
- Port Washington Wisconsin
Coming from the midwest, I've never thought of palms as being trees. They're just overgrown ornamental grasses, aren't they?
Chaplain242
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Badly overgrown...
coming from florida, they are just nasty weeds imo
got all sorts of weird bugs n animals in them too
Bendroctanus
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Springfield
Having grown up in San Diego, CA, they’re trash.
Bendroctanus
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Springfield
I’ll sometimes use the munter on a tagline if it’s a biggish piece that may go for a swing. It’s not taking all the weight but it’s slowing it down. Also, more control being in the tree.
I rarely rig with a munter, steel or otherwise But I rapell from time to time on a munter and it's always aluminum.
- Location
- Lexington, KY- USA
Works great for light rigging. I often use when there are just a couple bigger limbs on a pruning job or maybe as a second line for drifting a piece over.
Jehinten
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Evansville
I agree with your statement but the post you quoted isn't in reference to rigging. It's in reference to adding friction to descend on.
I'm not sure what it is that he was descending on that required additional friction, but I don't believe transferring part of the load (his bodyweight) is going to hurt the side dee or his harness.
knudeNoggin
New member
The possible rope twisting supposedly is a factor of ANGLE. For abseiling, e.g., keep the rope hanging straight down, not holding it off to one's side.
The Munter can be doubled (one good turn deserves another).
https://www.animatedknots.com/super-munter-hitch-knot
(Not sure about Grog's assertion of this eliminating twisting; maybe YMMV.
It has been presented in come rockclimbing/caving? forums/literature.)
*kN*
The Munter can be doubled (one good turn deserves another).
https://www.animatedknots.com/super-munter-hitch-knot
(Not sure about Grog's assertion of this eliminating twisting; maybe YMMV.
It has been presented in come rockclimbing/caving? forums/literature.)
*kN*
evo
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- My Island, WA
I keep a RE totem on my belt with a web sling. I’m also in love with 3/8 stable braid. The totem which has a shitty name opens many doors for self lowering, it can be run like a fig8, a stitch plate, and many other configurations. I know it’s more than taboo to mix life support and rigging but this is one devise I make a calculated exception for. To the extent of having two of them. One for life support only and then the work horse for SRT redirects and light rigging when needed.
