Magnum783
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- Cheyenne WY
I can understand that it is quite the expense if one is in certain if you will like it.
Monkey Beaver harness
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August Hunicke
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Adjustable bridge and different attachment point for legs off the back so that I can hike them up higher. I am a seat saddle guy wearing a leg saddle basically.
I have only had a single climb so far in my MBS but did not find the side Ds were at all "floppy." They share a tie in point with the bridge and leg straps which keeps them pulled forward. Very similar to the ones on my Sequoia only not quite so big.
Wait...i don't even climb everyday and i have 3 saddles!
- Location
- Grants Pass
I'm not sure if it is what you are referring to but when I started at New Tribe we did not carry a floating bridge harness but we did have a fixed point work harness as well as some recreational harnesses. They also had side D's. All of those harnesses had D's that could flop back and forth on their own. The D's on the MB and the Onyx are pulled and kept in the forward position by the rigging plate and the strap that goes from the D's to the plates which house the rope bridge. They would always be forward when bridge is engaged.
August Hunicke
Participating member
Tactless question, filled with false premise. Does not deserve an answer but I'm in a mood.
No I am not sponsored by New Tribe. They are a tiny factory.
New Tribe might be able to sponsor a free kitty from the Humane Society, but not me.
I am investing in them. We have a long history together. They have made quality things for me and been very generous for years, long before the industry knew about me. Now they are carrying my design. I am giving back.
The industry will benefit. I benefit by that, but I hope it also pays for itself at some point. So far it's been all investing. I have collected a lot of fun from this project but no financial collection. Why should anyone know that? Is it wrong to make money? Is it wrong to build something and profit from it? Does it discredit me for the quality of an item if I am paid for it?
I am building a brand. I hope it is successful. It has an intriguing history of just sort of making itself via my long nights and crowd support. My relationship with New Tribe and with this project and with the industry itself is a love thing.
No I am not sponsored by New Tribe. They are a tiny factory.
New Tribe might be able to sponsor a free kitty from the Humane Society, but not me.
I am investing in them. We have a long history together. They have made quality things for me and been very generous for years, long before the industry knew about me. Now they are carrying my design. I am giving back.
The industry will benefit. I benefit by that, but I hope it also pays for itself at some point. So far it's been all investing. I have collected a lot of fun from this project but no financial collection. Why should anyone know that? Is it wrong to make money? Is it wrong to build something and profit from it? Does it discredit me for the quality of an item if I am paid for it?
I am building a brand. I hope it is successful. It has an intriguing history of just sort of making itself via my long nights and crowd support. My relationship with New Tribe and with this project and with the industry itself is a love thing.
Reg
Branched out member
- Location
- Victoria, BC
Bob, I think August has put in a huge effort to help make this saddle to be the best it can be, from his own standpoint of what makes a good saddle. Not every climber will agree with the design features, but it's a choice whether or not purchase. Regardless, I think there can be no doubt that if he didn't believe in it, he wouldn't be promoting it. Whatever the financial arrangements (a profitable one hopefully) with new tribe....reputation means a lot more than money to some people. If it were junk, the monkey beaver would be over yesterday....same as August' credibility. No different than doing shit treework on you home turf.....short lived.
monkeylove
Been here much more than a while
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- Roslyn, Pa.
I just want to thank @August Hunicke for mentioning Bucking Billy in one of his vids. That is a great channel and the guy seems as normal as most of us. Well as normal as we can be.
August Hunicke
Participating member
Yeah, Billy Ray. He cracks me up. I still don't know about him though if I'm honest. I've always been suspicious of gregariousness.
NorCalBrock
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- Location
- Chico
So I went to this Sherrill Tree and TreeStuff thing where they discussed their merger, showed their product development process, had us ask questions and give feedback and criticism.
I met folks from New Tribe and Singing Tree at the gathering...very humble and gracious men.
It was quite enlightening to see the numbers and margins on the products that we use - when it boils down, there isn't much money to be made on these devices and tools when you add up the cost of design, engineering, testing, manufacturing, etc.
There is a reason that guys like August and Kevin B. still do tree work on a daily basis - because that is where the bread money is earned.
These guys aren't making much if anything with their product innovations or gear creativity. We are a tiny industry.
Passion, I believe, is their primary motivation.
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I met folks from New Tribe and Singing Tree at the gathering...very humble and gracious men.
It was quite enlightening to see the numbers and margins on the products that we use - when it boils down, there isn't much money to be made on these devices and tools when you add up the cost of design, engineering, testing, manufacturing, etc.
There is a reason that guys like August and Kevin B. still do tree work on a daily basis - because that is where the bread money is earned.
These guys aren't making much if anything with their product innovations or gear creativity. We are a tiny industry.
Passion, I believe, is their primary motivation.
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Merle Nelson
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- SF Bay Area, CA
I agree passion is what is driving the wave of inventions that we get to benefit from on a daily bases. That's why we need to treat our inventors and developers with great respect and appreciation. If it were for the money....we would get only what big companies saw fit to bring to us.
August Hunicke
Participating member
I agree that my keen interest in my vocation is what drives me (I think so anyway) but I'm a little uncomfortable being called inventor or being compared to Kevin. I don't invent, I am resourceful, I am an operator, not very mechanical I use whatever's around me like MacGyver but I don't really engineer/invent/have much intelligence. Not berating myself. I like myself this way.
JeffGu
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- Osceola, Nebraska
I'd like you even better if you were stinking rich and giving away free Monkey Beaver Harness gifts to all the people named Jeff on here. But, hey... you're okay, for a guy with a thing for monkey beavers.
I haven't actually liked any of the NT harnesses I've tried, but your MB one is awfully tempting.
I haven't actually liked any of the NT harnesses I've tried, but your MB one is awfully tempting.
August Hunicke
Participating member
HAHAHAHA! Thanks.
NorCalBrock
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- Location
- Chico
It's time Jeff - your purple and green ride is so 1990. Do you have a silk shirt to go with your saddle?
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NorCalBrock
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- Chico
That was one of the aspects of bringing new stuff to market that ST and TS discussed- product innovation vs. product enhancement. Inventing a new thing vs. making a thing more useful or using them in new ways.
Either way - we should want people to be successful because it fuels more creativity and thought.
Apple, Tesla, and Samsung wouldn't be able to bring new stuff to market if they didn't have profit margins.
The plus side is your saddle is handmade here in the USA for under $500. Not many jobs I'll do for less than $500, including quality labor and materials.
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JeffGu
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- Osceola, Nebraska
There's that Hawaiian shirt the kids gave me for Xmas back in '87... and I bet Wally World has some cheapass, Chinese made flip-flops in the right colors... I could be stylin'...
Still, there's something a bit intimidating about showing up for work with the words "monkey" and "beaver" all over your ass. There might be an ordinance against that, or something.
Still, there's something a bit intimidating about showing up for work with the words "monkey" and "beaver" all over your ass. There might be an ordinance against that, or something.
August Hunicke
Participating member
haha, that's funny, we actually refer to that label on the back as the "tramp stamp" LOL.
Reg
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- Location
- Victoria, BC
Here, I just edited few words from your post Aug, to summarize. No need to thank me. Anytime !
August Hunicke
Participating member
Ah yes, thanks. Perfectly poetic nice and concise. ha
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