Mexican Worker Protest

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[show up at border crossing having tools and work apparel in your possession, be denied entry, so ship stuff ahead, come across "casually" and do the work (and presumably return home immediately following job -- or at least after maybe a short vacation)]

That's how easy (and sometimes necessary) it is to be "illegal" in your country!

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That's not at all what's being discussed here. In that case you [they] at all times remained in the employ of your native company. This was a business trip. There may be laws pertinent to that scenario and those laws may be grouped with those regarding immigration -- I've never studied them -- but the key in this case was it was of a temporary nature.

What's being generally discussed here is moving to the new land and taking on work under direct employ of a company/individual there. It may be markedly easier to come to the U.S. to live/work as a result of already having been hired than to come here in hopes of finding something later.
 
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I don't know exactly how difficult it is to get a green card. It can't be too hard; there sure are plenty who are able to do it.


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Wow, way to show that you have no clue. Saves me the time of pointing it out.

If you have never been through it, I would hold off on commenting about it.
 
We all know that this is going to turn ugly, and we all know that work is going to stop on some places. What I do agree on is that there should be reform. As my boss asked " would you like to pay more because someone does not pay anything or would you like to pay the same because they pay out too" . I do not know what the outcome of this will be but I do know that my arse will still be up a tree on the 1st. Just keep you head to grindstone and keep going. Theyy have families to feed and take care of and so do I. They strike I wil still be prunin and removin.
 
A Green Card is normally known as an I-140 (full immigrant visa) by the INA/INS or your Consulates in foreign parts of the world, success to anyone who can get one without running into brick walls, like they say money talks if you want to get anywhere and most foreigners that go to the US to work either get the following J1 Visas which there is apparently 16 different types, H1B or H2B visas for temporary work up to 18 months if the extention is permited after the first 12 months. H1B is only for those the obtain a Higher National Diploma or a Full University Degree ( this is the status level that the US Consul in London wish you obtain for UK hopefuls ) and the every over country will have their equivalents for that visa type.

I know of the hassles that can arise that is just trying to reknew my tourist visa, from my old passport. 7 years ago after a three month battle with them US Consulate in London, trying to explain to them that I was not an intending immigrant even though they stamped 2 visas denials in to my passport. Making it just a little bit tricky to get through port of entry. Well put it the way I had my local MP on the case, and a contact in Richmond with the Govenor of VA so I faxed a letter to the Consulate let them know of this and gave them a finally chance to sort their mess out, I gave them 48 to let me know if I could still travel to America to visit my relatives without hinderence, if not not I would compile all the lettters etc from the last 3 months and pass them onto the British Media. To let them know how about this farce that had been on going. Well put it this way they faxed me back in 24 hours saying yes you can, Scotty won the Battle, went out did my thing came back after 3 months later, instead of the orignal 6 months that I hoped for.

You think Mexicans have trouble so do white people, it is called the white politcal under tone, you cant say that it was descrimination for being a white person and say that it was with racial contentment.


Scotty


Sorry for the wetback remark also but it was just a private joke, and also my dads brother lives in Texas for the last 40 years, maybe thats where I picked it up from, my last girlfriend was Mexican.
 
My wife is German. Even being married it was a total PITA. I think it may be easier for hispanics. All of the BCIS (INS) employees speak spanish...to eachother. You really put the out if you make them speak english.

It is easier with a lawyer but lawyers aren't cheap. Ours wasn't. It is not just as easy as being married and bingo, entrance.

Not being from the EU, I had to do this in Germany.
 
Yeah just got a call from bud one of the new groundies is not coming in. He is hispanic but was born here. I asked him what is up he feels that he needs to support his culture, but in all asspects of this one he gave him the day off and told him to be in the next day. All I could say was yeah there goes one job now time to call the next one to reschedule it and push back the other. This seems to be what is going to happen move up pne job push back the other.
Hope everyone else is going to have better days.
 
I'd have to say I agree with Mark about using derogatory terms or ethnic generalizations. It's one thing to have strong feelings and opinions about legal, employment, or immigration issues. But talking about a whole group of other human beings in a degrading way is just plain wrong. I think it's fair to say something about individuals you know (though even then, the old "judge not,lest...") but do you think everyone in the US is the same? Do you want to be lumped in the same generalization as everyone else? It's not right, it's not fair, it's not real.
Of course, beyond that, the real issues are tough, it's understandable that people get worked up. No easy answers. I sure ain't got any. I can't blame people for trying to flex some of the only political muscle they have, but it might backfire.
 
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I don't know exactly how difficult it is to get a green card. It can't be too hard; there sure are plenty who are able to do it.


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Wow, way to show that you have no clue. Saves me the time of pointing it out.

If you have never been through it, I would hold off on commenting about it.

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Haven't been through it personally, but know several who have. They've never volunteered comment on it but now I'll be sure to ask them about it.

You sound like you have first-hand experience. How difficult was it for you to obtain your U.S. green card?
 
Sorry I sounded a bit like an äss. It is really hard if you are married to an American but even more challenging I am sure if you aren't.

Immigration reform is needed because as stated, the current one is broke. If you don't want more people here, we need to make it easier for them to earn here and then return to there...and come back.
 
To clarify something,yes,we do need immigration reform,no doubt.I feel it is wrong,however,to use the excuse that"these people" will do work the average American will not.

On the subject of working visas,it depends upon your skill levels of certain areas.In my little life I've had the chance to go to Alberta Canada,Libia and Tripoli because of my creedentials.All this had been cleared through the state deparment before I was offered the jobs,of which I declined.

In the case of several folks I mentioned,legal aliens ,they had the skill levels that were in short supply,so they were welcomed .I did forget to mention the fact that one of them is from Mexico,how 'bout that.
 
Apologies aren't needed (to me anyway), but really cool that you would apologize like that.

The issue here isn't about racism or even slight tenedencies there of. The issue is working in the US and complying. The tough place that we are in is that there are many people (families) that are established here and working to support their families, but have yet to obtain a "legal" status. What is fair? What is legal?


My wife is from Canada. She is a legal resident. She is still waiting to become a US Citizen after meeting all of the criteria, and it is going on 11 years. It isn't always easy even when you walk their (INS) line. If you are "Refugee" status it might speed things up. We have had many difficulties since our marriage. They don't make it easy even if you play by the rules. I can't imagine how hard it would be to go through this "illegally" with little money, maybe no family support and also speaking a foreign language.

For the record, I'm not "for" illegal workers. I'm just "not for" racism in any form or intensity.
 
Well now the world is really gonna be messed up. Mexico has announced they will be making drugs legal. The bill as of Friday afternoon was passed by the Senate and goes now to the President of MExico who's office has said he will sign it. Sure let them illegals stay and see what the drugs do to many of the American that live near the border and go there for vacation very year.
The allowed quanties to have are:
2.5 pounds of peyote,
25 milligrams of herion,
5 grams of marijuana,
.5 grams of cocaine,
2 pills of ecstacy, and
LSD, not sure on amount.

WE all have front row seats so I guess all we can do is enjoy the show and see what happens. Mexico has done this since the US is concidering allowing the illegals to stay. Is it work it?
 
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[show up at border crossing having tools and work apparel in your possession, be denied entry, so ship stuff ahead, come across "casually" and do the work (and presumably return home immediately following job -- or at least after maybe a short vacation)]

That's how easy (and sometimes necessary) it is to be "illegal" in your country!

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That's not at all what's being discussed here. In that case you [they] at all times remained in the employ of your native company. This was a business trip. There may be laws pertinent to that scenario and those laws may be grouped with those regarding immigration -- I've never studied them -- but the key in this case was it was of a temporary nature.

What's being generally discussed here is moving to the new land and taking on work under direct employ of a company/individual there. It may be markedly easier to come to the U.S. to live/work as a result of already having been hired than to come here in hopes of finding something later.

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I understand perfectly well the difference. I guess my point was that if a crew of caucasian Canadians has that much dificulty getting into your country on that basis, then imagine how difficult it would be for a Hispanic, African, or Asian person who is in the same circumstances as most illegals.
 
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Me too.

One of the folks I know is my Swiss-born-and-raised sister in law. I do now recall hearing her muttering something about the stupid INS about something a few years ago. They've been here for 16 years now, I think, and have 4 wonderful dual-citizen children. I remember when he first met her. She was herself 16 at the time and was living/working in Denver as a (whatever that French word is for) nanny. That surely would have been under the guise of a work visa, and likely working for someone with some sort of clout.

I recall when about 25 years ago some friends and myself were researching the possibility of getting work visas to Australia. (even?) At that time if what you'd wanted to do was first come there then look for a job it was nigh unto impossible unless one possessed a college degree, and at that, one within a fairly narrow classification.

Governments like to have very complete control over all of their subjects, so as immigration reform heats up, it'll likely change, but not in the direction desired by the now-vocal groups. That's my guess at any rate.
 
I think it would be good idea if the US and Canadian Governments, could come to some form of agreement that both citizens could work in eachothers countries without all the RED TAPE. Just the same way that Austrialia and New Zeeland have and the same way we have over here operating within the European Union.

Just think where would America be today without immigrants, away in the begin going back to the 15th centuary. America was born out off immigrants, even going back 35,000 years ago when the first Native Tribes transmigrated from Siberia. Sometimes it forgets, well the government does anyway.


Scotty
 
I think there are 2 quite different problems happening simultaneously with the immigration problem in the U.S.. First, there are illegals getting jobs illegally and second, there is a security problem on the north and south borders of America. I see the two problems as quite different because there are illegals who are trying to get employment and then there are those who have no intention of getting employment but would rather smuggle in drugs or even possibly terrorist activity. I think it is important to keep these two problems separate for the intentions of these very different illegals are quite different.

In respects to the illegals associated with job issues there is one aspect of the problem that needs more attention: There are now approximately 12 million illegals in the U.S. at this time. If they were to be granted citizenship today they would be entitled to, by law, all the labor laws associated with U.S. citizenship. This would include, but would not be limited to, minimum wage and benefits. What would this do to the national economy? The cost of everything and anything associated with illegal immigrant work would increase astronomically to make up for the difference. This would include exorbitant cost increases of products as well as services.

Twelve million is a huge number. The question is is do you think America can AFFORD it? We all know the economy will NOT stay as it is and that these prices will SURELY increase to the point of unaffordability if the illegals were simply given amnesty. Moreover, some employers may even decide that it would be cheaper to leave the U.S. and set up shop in another country for it would be more cost effective than remaining in America.

To maintain the immigration status the way it is today will only perpetuate the problem and increase the number of illegals in the U.S. to much a higher scale than 12 million.

So is it worth legalizing the illegals at the expense of the economy as well as increasing American job losses due to outsourcing? Should the situation remain unchanged, thus, making the problem worse? It has already been proven that deportation is a failure and possibly even unjust.

This is the true dilemma of illegal immigration and it is the very reason we arent seeing any quick resolutions to the problem. I think that there may be solutions out there that would benefit both the illegal immigrants as well as American citizens but I will save that for another time.
 
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By jingo I thought you were a Brit Nathan.

I guess your a Texas man, Texas is a bit like a home for me in a strange way.


Scotty

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Hahaha. I love that German sense of humor.
 
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