M-Bight-Redirect

Thanks Richard. Maybe I'll get to try it tomorrow. Will use the dmm revolver with the roller though. Less friction. I have 2 rings on my bridge so I'll see how that works. Love the teather. Any extras kicking around? Not sure the adjustable bridge will fly on the mcrs though.
 
Steve Connally said:
Thanks Richard. Maybe I'll get to try it tomorrow. Will use the dmm revolver with the roller though. Less friction. I have 2 rings on my bridge so I'll see how that works. Love the teather. Any extras kicking around? Not sure the adjustable bridge will fly on the mcrs though.
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Hey Steve, The MCRS looks pretty easy to modify, maybe swap the rings for rigging plates? or use JB's mode with the Ring Open and CT roll'nLock?
Teather?
 
Steve Connally said:
Probably misspelled. The tending eye on the rr
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Ahhh, that tether....It was one that I had TreeStuff make when I was big into the HH, they have made several for others with the thimble and now actually offer another without the thimble, I suppose it works equally well without the thimble.

http://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?item=9037

I'll post a couple of screen shots of other guys using the idea.

tether.webp tether2.webp
 
very nice and simple, makes perfect sense. is it similar to this-
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I am having a hard time understanding JB's redirect exactly. I'm a little slow in the learning department.
can anyone draw a picture of both so I can figure out the differences?
apologies for my ignorance
 
Flex does it matter what redirect you use, I haven't seen you get off that toilet in your avatar yet :lol:

I think they are similar but that JB is choking his up to the limb while Rich is keeping his friction close to him. I suspect that JB's might require slightly less rope but that Riches modify friction on.
 
I'm sorry to say this, both those guys need to feel the freedom of thier belay before tieing themselves up with technique. Johnny Pro showed such freedom of movement and watching him we were not wondering if the bight went this way or the other, his 'technique' became much more than knots.....very important. Learn to climb from 1 anchor first.
 
jmcscrap said:
You don't have to remove the wrench to set it up if that's what you are asking. You could remove it when working in this set up as you are on more or less a double rope setup.
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I didn't really mean just to set it up. I'm sure you could keep it on. Just thinking if you wanted to work the tree on the redirect, having the wrench on would be too much friction for limb walks or hard angles. I could see keeping it on for simple descents though. Just thinking control would be better by taking it off.
 
monkeylove said:
Flex does it matter what redirect you use, I haven't seen you get off that toilet in your avatar yet :lol:

I think they are similar but that JB is choking his up to the limb while Rich is keeping his friction close to him. I suspect that JB's might require slightly less rope but that Riches modify friction on.
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hemroids!
thanks. ill watch again but that makes sense too me. they looked similar but different.
I shouldn't joke, I've had a couple of those bastards and its a real pain in the ass
 
SoftBankHawks said:
I'm sorry to say this, both those guys need to feel the freedom of thier belay before tieing themselves up with technique. Johnny Pro showed such freedom of movement and watching him we were not wondering if the bight went this way or the other, his 'technique' became much more than knots.....very important. Learn to climb from 1 anchor first.
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different strokes for different folks.
im in the market for a quick & painless, simple and retrievable redirect for srt. I kinda get where you are coming from but there is a time and place for both
 
yoyoman, there is a profound difference between a friction encapsulating running system and a stationary one, the former lends itself to a beautiful discourse between climber and tree. srt is said to be a 'planning system' because the working end is effectively null and void and so re-direct rigging is of paramount importance. Redirection is not a benefit to srt climbers but a necessity, afterall what is a trunk anchor psp if not a re-direct? Because we can in-line rig doesn't mean that we should in every scenario. Balance, control of the body centre, sensitivity of feet, the physical experience of navigating through a tree crown with nothing more than a pull from your waist gives knowledge not available through reading, listening or thinking, the filter of'rigging technique can be harmful in this respect. Before rigging to abate we must fall off a branch as much climbing technique is hidden inside this hazard.
 
SoftBankHawks said:
yoyoman, there is a profound difference between a friction encapsulating running system and a stationary one, the former lends itself to a beautiful discourse between climber and tree. srt is said to be a 'planning system' because the working end is effectively null and void and so re-direct rigging is of paramount importance. Redirection is not a benefit to srt climbers but a necessity, afterall what is a trunk anchor psp if not a re-direct? Because we can in-line rig doesn't mean that we should in every scenario. Balance, control of the body centre, sensitivity of feet, the physical experience of navigating through a tree crown with nothing more than a pull from your waist gives knowledge not available through reading, listening or thinking, the filter of'rigging technique can be harmful in this respect. Before rigging to abate we must fall off a branch as much climbing technique is hidden inside this hazard.
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This is a test of the concern for rope on rope friction.

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The M Bight Redirect is the addition of a dynamic system to a static system. Still an overall SRT (single rope, static rope technique)
The use of a carabiner in this descent shows how little friction is transferred to the dynamic side of the, now, combined dynamic AND static system.

The use of a pulley could significantly increase the friction to the anchor point.
 
The thing with this redi is that it descends on a bight, it is different then recovering the redirect with a bight and very similar to a 3:1 climbing system where a pulley is used and used to advantage.
This is one of the things I like about using the Bight in the name, it is not like an M-rig or V-rig climbing system and understanding the bight is very important.
We have addressed the friction issue and as long as logical precautions are taken, it is, IMO, of little concern.
Now another point, some climbers may be coming from the DdRT world where their primary support point does not change, (unless they secure with a lanyard and un-clip). SRT anchors can change constantly and this is a prime example.
When the bight is formed over the branch by putting SLACK ABOVE THE MULTICENDER, this now makes this your PRIMARY SUPPORT POINT. So, like any anchor, choose it carefully, If it fails, you fall the distance of that bight and what was now acting as your secondary anchor, again becomes your primary and jerks some sense into you...or you hit the ground...which you hope, just knocks some sense into you.
 
i saw this thread on sunday and have been trying it out the last couple of days. very nice. its simple and quick. its also worth remembering that it doesnt strictly shift your full weight to the new tie in point. as the redirect is comprised of dynamic elements, the force of your weight is still somewhat transferred back towards your primary tie in. always choose every support point carefully. even a six inch fall could be fatal if your holding a chainsaw!
 
JMerritt said:
i saw this thread on sunday and have been trying it out the last couple of days. very nice. its simple and quick. its also worth remembering that it doesnt strictly shift your full weight to the new tie in point. as the redirect is comprised of dynamic elements, the force of your weight is still somewhat transferred back towards your primary tie in. always choose every support point carefully. even a six inch fall could be fatal if your holding a chainsaw!
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So true! We are discovering some great uses and application along with cautions.
 
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