Looking for the ideal rope.

Willber said:
Yes, maybe. I don't like to say things with certainty, unless it is proven. But, one thing is, it flattens more than my other ropes, and more than I'd like.
But, the 48strand cover does provide a high surface area grip in gloved hands, that will become more grippy as it wears. I purchased the Scandere because from what I saw was the only true 48strand arborists rope on the market today.
The HTP and Phantom or Yale Kernmaster are not true 48strand covers, the second carrier strand is being counted.

I'm located in Peterborough, NH. You do some rec. climbs time to time in the winter, but do you climb regularly in the winter?
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Yes, I do tree work through the winter.

Peterborough's a great town, I've been through a few times in 2021.
-AJ
 
 
Njdelaney said:
Let us know when you want to sell that horrible Scandere. I'm sure some hero will help rid you of it for a modest price.
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I don't think I will part with it, because it still has better grip than all my ropes, except the worn Beal. And, will get even more grippy with wear.
 
Crimsonking said:
So you’ve only pinched xstatic? It’s my most used rope right now because it works so well with the rope runner pro, a device that will flatten any rope. I don’t like it in the zigzag, though, because it doesn’t self tend easily- because it’s stiff. I’ve never flattened a rope with the zigzag, so I’m not sure why flattening is still being discussed, but I think that’s already been said.

Xstatic offers a good diameter, retains its shape better than most, and is easy on the hands. I don’t like it for everything, but it always comes out to play with the runner.
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That is until you try the hyperclimb with the rrp!! Lol
 
Eric H-L said:
If I could get my ideal rope made to order it would work like a good 1/2” polyester double braid, weigh less than dyneema, and cost 25 cents a foot. I have been waiting for Samson to approach me.


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Yes, there needs to be more non-competitive approach to rope manufacturing. More niche market rope for climbers with ideas outside the narrow market of competition.
Yes, a rope that can have a tight eye splice, has enough dyneema core to make it ideally lightweight, and static, and a nylon cover, for increased hand grip, 48strand cover, or 32 strand cover with at least 3 carrier strands. And, let's not forget a very tight cover braid, over the double braid core (or however many braids is ideal for the center to not milk or loose its roundness under normal side pressure in the Zag).
If more would jump on board we might see such a rope in the near future.
 
Willber said:
Yes, there needs to be more non-competitive approach to rope manufacturing. More niche market rope for climbers with ideas outside the narrow market of competition.
Yes, a rope that can have a tight eye splice, has enough dyneema core to make it ideally lightweight, and static, and a nylon cover, for increased hand grip, 48strand cover, or 32 strand cover with at least 3 carrier strands. And, let's not forget a very tight cover braid, over the double braid core (or however many braids is ideal for the center to not milk or loose its roundness under normal side pressure in the Zag).
If more would jump on board we might see such a rope in the near future.
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Call Yale Cordage and ask for Adam Moser. Explain what you want and how the manufacturers should change. Have a pen and paper ready for note-taking.
 
@Willber here’s the link. Not sure why you gave me the “haha” emoji when I referred to this video…. August has probably climbed on more different ropes and devices than you or I will in our lifetimes, and I feel strongly he’d share an honest assessment of any above mentioned items…. Then again people are different and have unique experiences and gravitate towards different things. Good luck with your endeavors.
 
@Willber can't have a really tight eye with 48 strand 3 carrier ropes. And it will knot like absolute shit. And the self abraiding nature of dyneema as a Rope core make it terrible foe ddrt climbing practices. I'm beginning to believe you are not listening to anyone who knows what they are talking about because you committed to the thought that with 3 years experience of using a poor combination of arborist tools and techniques, you've discovered the rope we all need. Best of luck. I highly recommend meeting with some of the guys on here that commented from your area. They know what they're talking about, maybe you'll listen and learn in person
 
Chris Schultz said:
@Willber here’s the link. Not sure why you gave me the “haha” emoji when I referred to this video…. August has probably climbed on more different ropes and devices than you or I will in our lifetimes, and I feel strongly he’d share an honest assessment of any above mentioned items…. Then again people are different and have unique experiences and gravitate towards different things. Good luck with your endeavors.
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I just gave the laugh reaction just as a quick response to the idea that anyone would recommend this rope for the Zag.
I didn't mean disrespect to you. Yeah, I'm surprised August said, "This, right here, is the rope you want if you're running a ZigZag." But, near the beginning of the video he "This is my new favorite rope, it's called Scandere. But, this stuff is just... man it's like butter. It's, it's unbelievable. Definitely my... the rope I'm most excited about, these days... this stuff."
Unless the Scandere I have, has too big of a cover or too few core strands. It could be just that August hasn't broken it in enough to have it start to significantly flattening to slip in the Zag. It sounds like it is still very new to his use.

I agree he has tremendously more experience than me in ropes and rope gear.
 
CutHighnLetFly said:
@Willber can't have a really tight eye with 48 strand 3 carrier ropes. And it will knot like absolute shit. And the self abraiding nature of dyneema as a Rope core make it terrible foe ddrt climbing practices. I'm beginning to believe you are not listening to anyone who knows what they are talking about because you committed to the thought that with 3 years experience of using a poor combination of arborist tools and techniques, you've discovered the rope we all need. Best of luck. I highly recommend meeting with some of the guys on here that commented from your area. They know what they're talking about, maybe you'll listen and learn in person
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Yes, I understand having a tight eye in a tight cover braid is difficult, and I'm just trying to see if somehow it might be done, with balance between stiffness and looseness. Is Dyneema abrasive moving slightly against itself... I only mentioned it being used in the core, but if it is part Dyneema and part polyester, there might be to much a contrast of staticness and the Dyneema may always take the tensile stress of pull on the rope.

I understand when a tight cover braid rope is new it is very stiff and is difficult or impossible for a knot to hold. But, if it is well broken in it will hold knots well. The when my Beal rope was broken in, it held many kinds of knots well, yet never flattened under great side load.

I've worked with some tree trimming people and have found them to be sloppy and careless about doing clean proper cuts, and not clean cutting enough dead out of trees. I do try to use what I know to efficiently prune trees, and even though I don't use much climbing equipment, and what I use would be hard to call poor.
 
Crimsonking said:
Call Yale Cordage and ask for Adam Moser. Explain what you want and how the manufacturers should change. Have a pen and paper ready for note-taking.
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I actually called Yale and they transferred me to Adam, and I explained the Scandere was flattening and I thought it was was creeping because it was flattening, and was told I should contact the seller with my rope issue.
And, when I mention about them making a slightly less circumference 48braid cover, with more core strand, then it wouldn't flatten and therefore wouldn't creep in the Zag, I was conceitedly corrected that it wouldn't solve the flattening.

I will admit, with a new shiny 48braid cover, it may creep a bit, until it gets scuffed and a few broken filaments. But, at least it won't flatten.
 
Dan Cobb said:
I'm not "dissing" Reg's message, tree skills or experience. It's precisely the "Hollywood" aspects that I believe could be much improved. For example, due to the backlighting, his face is in deep shadow and the top of his head is way over lit. The only way the lighting could be much worse is to not have any.

I made videos professionally for several years, amongst other duties. Starting out, I knew enough to know I was pretty ignorant of how to make good videos, so I took classes and learned quite a bit, yet only scratched the surface of that field of expertise. That experience makes technical errors jump out at me. Probably similar to how you easily spot technical errors made in tree work.
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If reg did a production show, with stage lighting, I’ll spew my beer out of my nose. He’d loose all credibility..
 
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