Looking for the ideal rope.

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@Willber
You are asking for a unicorn.
Has to be like this and like that.

Nylon cover will be slick and wear like a wet noodle.

I suggest learning a shit ton more about rope construction, and the like before being so opinionated.

It’s fine if you don’t like scandree for whatever reason. Rope doesn’t work for everyone in every device.

If you want a grippier rope, you need less strands and thicker strands

If you want a smoother running rope in mechanicals you need more strands and tighter cover.

If you need a harder rope, you need a solid braid

Now add in hitch’s vs mechanicals, you get another other set of variables.

I personally have 3-4 different ropes, currently Yale 11.7’s, extatic, kernmaster all poly, and a few others that are now rigging lines….

If you don’t like the rope you have, get a different one. It’s sucks because it’s expensive but it’s trial and error

You have three choices.
See if the combo grows on you and works out

Ditch the rope and try something else

Ditch the zigzag and try a different tool

Now blaming the lack of ropes is bullshit. We have more ropes available these days in oh so many flavors, colors, construction, and blends..

I’m far from oldschool but when I started double braids and split tails were the big advancements in the industry..

Give Samson kernmantle a shot. That shit is so stiff you can push it. But when I tried htp in 1/2” that even flattened a bit. That shit as so stiff I couldn’t descend with a wide open hitch and wrench, AND IT FLATTENED (somewhat). But it also stayed flat and became cably.

It’s all trade offs on characteristics, you are looking for a glass slipper which might work until you change your socks.

I’m willing to try scandree so box it up and send it my way. If I don’t like it, I’ll use it for rigging, laynards, bridges, tie downs..

 

[Willber]

@Willber
You are asking for a unicorn.
Has to be like this and like that.

Nylon cover will be slick and wear like a wet noodle.

I suggest learning a shit ton more about rope construction, and the like before being so opinionated.

It’s fine if you don’t like scandree for whatever reason. Rope doesn’t work for everyone in every device.

If you want a grippier rope, you need less strands and thicker strands

If you want a smoother running rope in mechanicals you need more strands and tighter cover.

If you need a harder rope, you need a solid braid

Now add in hitch’s vs mechanicals, you get another other set of variables.

I personally have 3-4 different ropes, currently Yale 11.7’s, extatic, kernmaster all poly, and a few others that are now rigging lines….

If you don’t like the rope you have, get a different one. It’s sucks because it’s expensive but it’s trial and error

You have three choices.
See if the combo grows on you and works out

Ditch the rope and try something else

Ditch the zigzag and try a different tool

Now blaming the lack of ropes is bullshit. We have more ropes available these days in oh so many flavors, colors, construction, and blends..

I’m far from oldschool but when I started double braids and split tails were the big advancements in the industry..

Give Samson kernmantle a shot. That shit is so stiff you can push it. But when I tried htp in 1/2” that even flattened a bit. That shit as so stiff I couldn’t descend with a wide open hitch and wrench, AND IT FLATTENED (somewhat). But it also stayed flat and became cably.

It’s all trade offs on characteristics, you are looking for a glass slipper which might work until you change your socks.

I’m willing to try scandree so box it up and send it my way. If I don’t like it, I’ll use it for rigging, laynards, bridges, tie downs..

Well, not a unicorn, maybe a snow leopard. What I'm looking for kinda half exists, but it's too stretchy, and too narrow, the Beal Access Rope (oh btw, it has a nylon cover, and breaks in nicely with great abrasion resistance, and hence is ideally grippy)

The Samson kernmantle is not a true 48braid, (pretty annoying) they're counting the second carrier strand as an additional braid. And the additional carrier isn't even twisted which would at least help with the grip.

I'm not saying there's a lack of ropes, there's a lack of unique ropes, that yes serve a purpose, because a rope similar to what I'm looking for exist, it just needs to be revised a bit.

It's true there are many similar ropes out there, the Samson kernmantle is very similar to the Yale kernmaster.

One reason I wouldn't give up the Scandere is that it the only true 48braid rope available on the market today, I just wish Yale made the cover tighter over the core.

The Sterling HTP 1/2" flattens quite a bit when pinched between the middle finger and thumb, so I stayed away from it.
And, it's not a true 48braid, and is too heavy per 100ft.

 

[Friedrich]

in my experience xstatic will get much stiffer with use. it will flatten a bit under the bulldog bone but not too much. and its a very different rope compared to the drenaline. i love the xstatic, the drenaline i dont like at all.

friedrich

 

[Jehinten]

One reason I wouldn't give up the Scandere is that it the only true 48braid rope available on the market today, I just wish Yale made the cover tighter over the core.

Have you milked it? If you can milk any length off of the cover that will tighten the cover to the core.

 

[Dan Cobb]

If reg did a production show, with stage lighting, I’ll spew my beer out of my nose. He’d loose all credibility..

You're right. If he paid attention to lighting, he might start going all Hollywood on us. Next thing, he'd be setting up multiple camera shots and have theme music dubbed over the video.

 

[islandarb]

@Willber you really need to go to the New England Chapter Climbing Comp and get exposed to the art of tree climbing. Easiest way to see some very good arbs move around a tree and the gear they use. It will open your eyes and mind. As it is out of a work setting and mostly relaxed, one can mingle and take away a lot of good info. You are trying to fix a problem that does not exist. I was not going to reply but am making one last attempt for you to get open minded.

 

[Lupin_IV]

Isolated Self validation is the death of progress lol. I wish we could lock threads easier.

 

[Reach]

I may have found your ideal rope. Rock hard, ridiculously strong, polyester double braid with lots of strands for the cover, dyneema core so it does not stretch.

Maxibraid Plus - Yale Cordage

Maxibraid Plus is a double-braided rope constructed of an inner load-bearing core of High Modulus Polyethylene (HMPE). The polyester outer sleeve is slightly thicker than Ultrex Plus, which would provide more abrasion resistance in high-wear applications.

www.yalecordage.com

 

[Willber]

Hey, I think some of the responses have become a bit over elaborated, in that I am a diehard beginner, just because I want a specific rope - it shouldn't be such a shunnable idea.
I'm not saying I'll never use ascenders or other arborist equipment. It's just found that a certain rope(Beal Access) that I found functions quite well, but could be improved a bit. And, it's not that this "rope" couldn't be used for every arborists purpose, anyone here does in the field.
It's almost like someone who is trying to think outside the box, is discouraged, is that not [sometimes] how beneficial things are discovered.

Reach, I'll look into trying a sample of that Yale Maxibraid Plus rope, looks like it'll be expensive.

 

[Willber]

Have you milked it? If you can milk any length off of the cover that will tighten the cover to the core.

Thanks, hopefully the cover shrinks a bit over the core, so it won't flatten as much in the future.

 

[Chris Schultz]

Thanks, hopefully the cover shrinks a bit over the core, so it won't flatten as much in the future.

That will 100% change the character and performance of a rope.

 

[Stumpsprouts]

Hey, I think some of the responses have become a bit over elaborated, in that I am a diehard beginner, just because I want a specific rope - it shouldn't be such a shunnable idea.
I'm not saying I'll never use ascenders or other arborist equipment. It's just found that a certain rope(Beal Access) that I found functions quite well, but could be improved a bit. And, it's not that this "rope" couldn't be used for every arborists purpose, anyone here does in the field.
It's almost like someone who is trying to think outside the box, is discouraged, is that not [sometimes] how beneficial things are discovered.

Reach, I'll look into trying a sample of that Yale Maxibraid Plus rope, looks like it'll be expensive.

If you’re worried about the cost of a new hank of rope, literally what is the point of this thread? Plenty of good advice here, plenty of other ropes for you to try. Go check em out!

 

[Reach]

Hey, I think some of the responses have become a bit over elaborated, in that I am a diehard beginner, just because I want a specific rope - it shouldn't be such a shunnable idea.
I'm not saying I'll never use ascenders or other arborist equipment. It's just found that a certain rope(Beal Access) that I found functions quite well, but could be improved a bit. And, it's not that this "rope" couldn't be used for every arborists purpose, anyone here does in the field.
It's almost like someone who is trying to think outside the box, is discouraged, is that not [sometimes] how beneficial things are discovered.

Reach, I'll look into trying a sample of that Yale Maxibraid Plus rope, looks like it'll be expensive.

Maxibraid Plus is terribly expensive, and not meant to be used for climbing. It’s used for making crane slings. https://www.gaparboristsupply.com/The-Splice-Shop-Crane-Sling-Kit/item/CRANESLINGKIT

I’ve had my hands on it, seems like a nice rope, but we haven’t bought any yet. We have two other rope slings we like already, both of which cost less than those, and one of which is stronger yet.

 

[Willber]

If you’re worried about the cost of a new hank of rope, literally what is the point of this thread? Plenty of good advice here, plenty of other ropes for you to try. Go check em out!

The point of this post is to have the vast knowledge of arborists on here recommend a rope that would be similar to the Beal rope, but thicker and more static. And, it'd absolutely be worth paying top dollar for.

 

[Crimsonking]

The vast knowledge here has recommended a few things. From stale to moldy

 

[islandarb]

6 pages. Wow. Ok this has been overplayed and overworked. Like a liontailed white oak.

 

[Willber]

Ok, well, I guess I haven't found a similar rope to the Beal with this post, and it certainly has become unhinged from the original post's simple question. And, I guess the Beal rope is not "technically" a "arborist" rope, so that may also have caused misgivings. And, I guess I'll put to rest the idea of advice for a rope similar to the Beal rope on these forums, and I will look into using traditional arborist equipment and techniques that will aid in more efficient use of time.
As, finding/having made an ideal rope for the user, per their needs for a rope, doesn't seem to be highly desired in the arborist community.

 

[Chris Schultz]

As, finding/having made an ideal rope doesn't seem to be highly desired in the arborist community.

That’s right we just use sub par rubbish…. I guess we’re an easy to please crowd.

 

[Willber]

That’s right we just use sub par rubbish…. I guess we’re an easy to please crowd.

I don't mean to be snide, I corrected the response.

 

[southsoundtree]

How much do you suppose it would cost to have a rope made?