Locked Brummel both eye to eyes on hardware?

[B_Renton]

Dumb question:

Can one do a locked brummel on both eyes of a eye to eye spliced to say each side of a pinto?

Obviously first side easy. And I know there is a way to tie a LB on only one end using the inverted knot thing. But in looking at the draws of that, can't see if one could be doing that technique while in place on hardware like a pinto eye.

I had guessed it wasn't possible (although I am not very smart sometimes) but I saw a pic of the ABR spliced pinto and it looked like both sides were locked brummels.

 

[itterada]

Do you happen to have said picture on hand?

Edit: I think I found what you are talking about, and although it looks like both sides are locking Brummels one side is just being sort of zig zagged through in what some people call a "Red Book" brummel. Two tucks and a bury, and that eye won't be truly locked.

Hope it helps
Ian

 

[B_Renton]

Thanks, that helps. Looking at the "yellow" pic I think I can see it now.

 

[Jman]

Ian is correct, one side is a true locked brummel and other other side is not. Its a partial two tucks back and forth and then the bury.

 

[hesanarborist]

Although it can be done, NickfromWI has done it, the pics are somewhere on this board.

 

[hesanarborist]

http://www.treeclimbercoalition.org/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2371

 

[Jman]

Iirc he un-weaved the entire rope and then re-wove the thing back together. More power to you but I won't be trying that. Looks really clean.

 

[B_Renton]

I thought maybe he somehow worked the smaller ring through each cross.

Samson doesn't mention a LB in their tenex whoopie instructions at all for the eye splice.

 

[NickfromWI]

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Iirc he un-weaved the entire rope and then re-wove the thing back together.

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Nope. not how I did it. It was easier than that. Not as fast as a locking brummell, but totally doable!

 

[Jman]

ooo my bad, please give us some insight if you could.

 

[customcuts]

YES NICK, WE ARE DYING TO KNOW

 

[bonner1040]

He has been teasing that trick for a while. I dont think he will tell.

 

[NickfromWI]

I might be holding on to this one for a while....

 

[Adam_P]

Nick, can whatever method that is be used to do both eyes on a single ring?

 

[NickfromWI]

It would be super difficult to make that happen. With a little work, I think I could make it happen, but there is no circumstance I could imagine where I would be compelled to try and make it happen.

 

[jmcscrap]

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It would be super difficult to make that happen. With a little work, I think I could make it happen, but there is no circumstance I could imagine where I would be compelled to try and make it happen.

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...... then click your heels together and say "there's no splice like Nicks, there's no splice like Nicks"......

 

[Adam_P]

I'm gonna play around with this soon with some tenex. Just to be clear both eyes are regular locked brummels, correct?

This kind of reminds me of my collection of iron puzzles.

 

[NickfromWI]

yup. Normal locked brummells on both.

 

[B_Renton]

I am guessing he did the inverted knot kind of thing and then ended up passing the small ring through the crossings....

 

[Adam_P]

After about a half hour that's close to where I'm at B. My wife walked by my desk and saw me staring at a ringless locked brummel two times 10 minutes apart and asked me if I was ok.

Last question before I spend some serious time on this:

Nick, at any point does the ring pass through the hollow braid?