Lipstick on a Pig?!

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Listen to the sentence structure. What Palin said was please pray that the guys are operating under God's will.Not that she believes this is somehow the beginning of Armageddon

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Sentence structure my butt.

You might need to listen to the words that she is saying, and less attention to the sentence structure. She says " Our National Leaders are sending them out on a task from God." [speaking about our military men and women.]

I don't know how you can interpret that any other way.


Holy wars are not the answer this country is looking for.


SZ
 
she does NOT say they are sending them out on a task from god . Keep it all in context she is in her church and she is asking the congregation to pray that the leaders and the troops are operating under Gods will , WHAT the heck is wrong with that??????!!!!!!!!!!!! I am a church going christian who prays everyday for Gods will to be done, For my friends, family ,troops ,pastors Etc. You are not listening to what she say you are hearing what you want to hear! Most people in church on Sundays and in the privacy of their prayer closets pray in this manner. It is not like she is standing in front of the troops and says you are being sent out on a mission from God?!! That In my humble opinion is just plain silly and quite a reach. This is what the liberal stinking media is selling it is freakin nauseating
 
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she does NOT say they are sending them out on a task from god . Keep it all in context she is in her church and she is asking the congregation to pray that the leaders and the troops are operating under Gods will , WHAT the heck is wrong with that??????!!!!!!!!!!!! I am a church going christian who prays everyday for Gods will to be done, For my friends, family ,troops ,pastors Etc. You are not listening to what she say you are hearing what you want to hear! Most people in church on Sundays and in the privacy of their prayer closets pray in this manner. It is not like she is standing in front of the troops and says you are being sent out on a mission from God?!! That In my humble opinion is just plain silly and quite a reach. This is what the liberal stinking media is selling it is freakin nauseating

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Sept. 11, 2008 | In June, Sarah Palin took the stage at the Wasilla Assembly of God, a deeply conservative Pentecostal church. The excitable Alaskan governor told a graduating class of missionary students that it "was so cool growing up in this church, getting saved here, getting baptized." She went on to declare that her son Track will deploy to Iraq, and urged students to pray "that our leaders, that our national leaders, are sending [soldiers] out on a task that is from God." She added: "That's what we have to make sure that we are praying for -- that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

One big question about Palin is how that deterministic view of God's will in world affairs influences her decision-making on issues ranging from the Middle East to the environment, sexuality to education. What is not in doubt is that her addition to the Republican ticket has fired up the religious right and the party's most conservative base.

The McCain campaign has downplayed Palin's Pentecostal roots. But as her testimony at the Wasilla Assembly of God demonstrates, she is motivated by the idea that godly forces are locked in spiritual warfare with satanic forces. For many with a Pentecostal upbringing like Palin's, fighting that battle is part of God's plan for the end of days, when war will end the world as we know it, Jesus will come back, and non-Christians will convert or perish.

She's overboard on reason and a deadly threat to science, law, peace and freedom.

Keep this kind of fanaticism, the same type of fevor that compelled the hijackers to fly into the WTC on 9/11, that kills millionsof innocent people....the hell away from the White House.

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This is drivel and spun to make her sound like a zealot!! Whoever wrote this does not get how and why people of faith pray. And people who equate Christianity with radical Islam are some of the most frightening of all because to them evil is relative.. It is akin moral relativism. Let us be clear, I see where you stand and I am ok that we will never agree .I much prefer clarity over agreement anyway. Let us however be civil to one another?!
Question?! Why do secularists/atheists always accuse the religious right of bringing there beliefs into the decision making process.But it is perfectly acceptable to those same people to allow there set of secular beliefs and atheistic views to inform there decision making? This is a real blind spot for the left. It is the same thing!! Let us be intellectually honest.First tell the truth , then give your opinion.
 
"Why do secularists/atheists always accuse the religious right of bringing there beliefs into the decision making process?"

Because Palin did. First with the Wa Mu school board then as mayor of Wasilla.

http://www.dailysource.org/palin (site is run by CNN and Christian Science Monitor people)

Pressure on the city librarian to ban a selected works of books.

Taking over the Wa Mu Community hospital board, by election, to change the hospital's policy on examination and laboratory work on "purported rape claims", forcing the victim to cover all expenses.

Then we have her governorship...

I'm not talking about Christians who believe in Jesus, I'm talking about fanatics who think Jesus will appear within our lifetimes, and they influence the process by which that might happen. That the war in Iraq is God's plan, that a natural gas pipeline across Alaska in thru Canada is 'God's plan".

She believes the earth was made 6,000 years ago. There was no "evolution" of man. Think that might get in the way of policy decisions? Think it may influence children's educational requirements? I believe it will certainly effect foreign policy and dealing with the mass majority of earth's people who are not Christian.



I'm not left, I'm not right. I'm just not believing your God is my God and Sarah's God isn't either, by not just a long shot, but 180 degress in the opposite direction.

Her's is a vindictive God, one bring Rapture, one who will see the Jews all die before we all burn up to a crisp.

Again, there's no room in the White House for this, none whatsoever.
 
"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal That they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable rights,that among these are life liberty and the pusiuit of happiness."
I am so Glad that the founders allowed God and their belief system to inform there judgement .Or maybe their "creator " was some thing else???
 
I Answered your question in the first sentence of my response.

To refine it further, here's a little link with just a little bit of background on her church. End times is a phrase used a lot in their reference to the scriptures as they see it.


She's a Dominionist. That would preclude Life, Liberty, but I can't see how they could pursue happiness.

And again, you made my point about a creator - you state "The creator" instead of A creator. That's revealing. Mine isn't your, and America's isn't hers.

Do you believe Man, and this earth was created 6,000 years ago and there was no evolutionary order from the "begining?"
 
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she does NOT say they are sending them out on a task from god .

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Yes she does. You would actually have to go back and watch the video objectively to hear the words that come out of her mouth.


Unless you don't believe your eyes and ears as you watch that video.


And I totally respect the fact that you go to church, that's cool. I think that too often people play the "You don't respect the fact that Jesus is my personal savior" card, like the guy who runs the local coffee shop by my house. All the time in there with the Christian Contemporary Rock music playing in the background.

If Jesus rocks your world, awesome. Just don't mix it with my government.


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Wilt,
People have been debating whether or not to interprete Genesis as literal or allegorical for a long time as well as earth age. I really do not want to make this a theological debate. That is way too deep for a forum like this.
Is your issue with Palin the fact that she is a christian or the fact that you believe it is a radical form of faith??
The Point I am trying to defend is that God has had a place in this country from the beginning.From the Declaration to present times. Lincoln,FDR,Kennedy and even Clinton,Invoked the name of God. Do yourself a favor, Google search FDR's D-day speech/ prayer and listen to how he talks about God and our troops vs. The evil Nazis. Then let me know if you have a problem with that? It was essentially a 6 1/2 minute prayer. If this is bad in your eyes I respect that. However I think the conversation should probably end there.
I am sure you are not a Newt fan but if you go to www.newt.org you can look at his talk on this subject you may find it eye opening.
Thank you for the spirited debate and for making me think !! I find this kind of stuff exhilarating!!!!
 
palin brings to this election distraction. if the neoconservatives can confuse the country long enough they stand a chance of winning another presidency. if people are allowed to focus on the problems the nc's created over the past 8 years they will vote them out.

as for her belief in God and war - well, there is a big difference between asking for God's guidance, protection,mercy,wisdom, etc. and claiming to have God's stamp of approval. which one is it with her?

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GODS word and belief in God helped form your government!!!! If you do not know that then you do not understand the nature of the founding of this country!!
I do agree that there should be no state sponsored religion which is one of the things the founders were in disagreement with. However, separation of church and state does not mean people need to leave God out!!
Read the Declaration , look at Moses holding the ten commandments on the supreme court building.This countries most famous documents and government buildings are loaded with Biblical references. From the very beginning
 
"Is your issue with Palin the fact that she is a christian or the fact that you believe it is a radical form of faith??"

Neither.

My issue with her is that she has lied. She lied about the earmarks, the porkbarrels, the firing of the Public Safety Commissioner, her chat with the city librarian, and that she stated point blank during her acceptance speech that she has conducted an open government, will accept scrutiny, and has been and will continue to enforce transparency in government.

That's no Christian.

The last several days of vetting have been interesting and revealing.

There's no excuse for her, even as the most hardened murderers on death row find "God" may find salvation in repentance, there's no position in the American Government and especially the second highest office on earth for someone as blatant a liar as she. Christ notwithstanding.

You also need to re-read your early American history, from an unbiased source this time.

And the Genesis question remains.
 
"...separation of church and state does not mean people need to leave God out!!"

No it doesn't. But in Sarah's case, she is again, and by admission, a Dominionist. That's attainment by any means necessary, the salvation of mankind.

Hijackerspeak.

It also means that there's no representative God defined by any particular religion - there's nothing and shall never be anything (Constitutional guarantee) that determines which faith will dominate nor influence our form of government. This is America if you checked, the instruments of law, from the beginning, were forged for this exact reason. There are people here that don't believe in God, or their God isn't Sarah's God, or their God is Sarah's God but they manifest their beliefs entirely different from how she does it. Her functional acceptance of God through the doctrine of her church not just compels her to do God's work, but to apply it in every manner by which she lives her life.

Do you think Barak Obama is a Christian?

And be honest with me, you really think Adam and Eve were placed here a few thousand years ago?
 
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