Lazy or Clever?

Thanks for the reply @Burrapeg. I guess I’ll start trimming away the obstacles and see if I can get the sheave off. Looks like there’s a set screw accessible from where the rope enters/exits that may have something to do with its removal. Then try to fab a fairlead on it. Yeah I definitely don’t plan to rely on this thing for life safety.


I believe I know which screw you are referring to. The only use of it on the R500 was to keep the infeed and outfeed of the rope from making contact and causing rope on rope friction. I had to remove mine in order to refeed my rope into the unit after removing it one time. My unit does not have the midline attachable modifications
 
To use the shiv with 12-13mm rope, I split my shiv in half with a hacksaw, then trued up the cut faces. Then I inserted a thick washer I found that was about 3/16 inch thick. Before I hacksawed it in half, I drilled the screw holes thru it so they would line up again after it was separated. I used six screws to hold the shiv back together, with nylock nuts on them. Seems to be holding up OK so far.
Looking at the photos of yours, it looks as though the screw heads holding the sheave together are on the outside face. You had enough clearance on the backside for the nylock nuts? I wonder if a wider sheave could be sourced from somewhere.
 
I believe I know which screw you are referring to. The only use of it on the R500 was to keep the infeed and outfeed of the rope from making contact and causing rope on rope friction. I had to remove mine in order to refeed my rope into the unit after removing it one time. My unit does not have the midline attachable modifications
I believe I already removed that screw - it was pointed at the end, right between the ropes’ entry/exit point. Spinning the sheave around, I see a small allen head set screw which looks to go to the center/shaft of sheave.
 
Looking at the photos of yours, it looks as though the screw heads holding the sheave together are on the outside face. You had enough clearance on the backside for the nylock nuts? I wonder if a wider sheave could be sourced from somewhere.
Yes, just barely enough room. Of course, if yours is closer to the housing, you could put the screws in from the back and have the nuts on the outside. You could even use countersunk flathead screws on the backside.
 
So I got the set screw and sure enough, the sheave came off. But now cutting the sheave in half to widen is problematic because the set screw sits right where that cut would be.
 

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So I got the set screw and sure enough, the sheave came off. But now cutting the sheave in half to widen is problematic because the set screw sits right where that cut would be.
Rats. Not sure what to recommend. It looks like the set screw is all that holds the shiv on the flats of the shaft on the r550. I suppose you could still make it mid-line attachable and just use a smaller climbing line like rock climbers and cavers use. Another possibility would be to maybe cut it in half and then face off a bit more of the cut surfaces, so that you can use a fatter shim, say about 1/4 inch thick, enough to tap a new set screw hole in the shim. An interesting problem!
 
So I got the set screw and sure enough, the sheave came off. But now cutting the sheave in half to widen is problematic because the set screw sits right where that cut would be.
Hey, you might not have to split the shiv! I have a second unit I never split the shiv on and I just tried it on my regular 13mm line. It worked! The rope sits higher on the outside of the groove but with tension held on the output side on the tail of the rope, it climbed right up. If you had rope slightly smaller than the full 13mm, it would certainly work OK. I may have gone to all that trouble of separating the shiv into halves for nothing! All you may really have to do, if you want it mid-line attachable, is to mill or cut away those parts of the housing I showed in red that hold the rope captive.
 
Hey, you might not have to split the shiv! I have a second unit I never split the shiv on and I just tried it on my regular 13mm line. It worked! The rope sits higher on the outside of the groove but with tension held on the output side on the tail of the rope, it climbed right up. If you had rope slightly smaller than the full 13mm, it would certainly work OK. I may have gone to all that trouble of separating the shiv into halves for nothing! All you may really have to do, if you want it mid-line attachable, is to mill or cut away those parts of the housing I showed in red that hold the rope captive.
I was thinking that might work too. I’ve got the midline attachable worked out but I need to figure out a fairlead to mind the rope. My hopes of using my old Tanaka gas drill for power is a no go - it doesn’t have reverse or a clutch. When I stop throttling, I just start going down. Still a work in progress here. Ideally, I’d like it to run on Vortex and keep my RR above for easy switch out. Your widening of the sheave still seems ideal. When you ascend on 12mm line on your unmodified sheave, are you seeing any rope damage from the increased friction?

Here’s some pics of my progress.
 

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Just went back through this thread but couldn’t find what I thought was there!
Did any of you guys remove the internal braking system from your rollgliss?
Took it apart and the brake parts add a bit of weight to the unit. Wondering if it’s safe to remove it!
 
. . . When you ascend on 12mm line on your unmodified sheave, are you seeing any rope damage from the increased friction?. . .
No, I don't see any effects at all from quite a bit of use now. It seems a LOT easier on the rope than your average toothed ascender. Nice job on the mid-line attach mod, Fish.
 
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. . .Did any of you guys remove the internal braking system from your rollgliss?
Took it apart and the brake parts add a bit of weight to the unit. Wondering if it’s safe to remove it!
I removed the brake from both my units and have used them that way from the beginning. Doesn't seem to have made any difference. I think the brakes are just dead weight for our use as ascenders. Probably only kick in when descending fast, which we are not likely to ever use them for anymore. I have quite a few trials on these things now and I LOVE them! Just got down from a 60 foot repeated ascent (four times) with one of mine about an hour ago and still had most of the battery juice left.
 
Finally got mine put up in the tree! Was real impressed with the ascending of the unit considering I'm tipping the scales around 245. I didn't purchase a new drill because I had a near new top of the line Milwaukee 18 volt cordless that has more than enough power in high and low speeds to use with this device. Worked great going up and I was so excited! Unfortunately the gearing and braking parts internal to the Milwaukee must be different than the Dewalt units you guys are using! When I got up about 10 feet I let off of the trigger and the drill spun on its own in the opposite direction for several revolutions and made a clicking sound and then stopped turning. I put the drill in reverse and touched it to descend and weight my hitch and it made a bunch of clicking sounds before it would actually reverse direction. When it did reverse directions the chuck unscrewed from the adapter and came off the rollgliss. I made several attempts to get it to work but had the same results each time. :(
Have no idea what or why this drill acks the way it does but I will be returning it to the HD for a refund and will see about getting the dewalt model and give it a try! Was so disappointed that I didn't even continue climbing today! :muyenojado:
 
Sorry to hear your drill was not operating properly. The heavy duty DeWalt is about $199. and so far I am very happy with mine. I weigh 190 and probably over 200 with gear and saddle, and it climbs on high speed with power to spare. Anyway, good luck and climb safe!
 
I also discovered that messing around with 500' of rope is not much fun either! I am going to take it back to the shop and start milling off all the surfaces that keep the line captive and have it ready to be mid line attachable! Will try it with my Yale 11.7 rope and see if I need to mess with splitting the sheave first before I undertake that step!
I appreciate you guys that have walked this road before me, sharing all of your input. Makes it much easier for those of us that are pretty handy with things but lack creativity!!
 
. . . Will try it with my Yale 11.7 rope and see if I need to mess with splitting the sheave first before I undertake that step!. . .
It should work fine with that rope, without splitting the shiv to widen it. Just keep some tension with your left hand on the tail of the rope coming off the device, once it is mid-line attachable, or else hang a weight on the tail at the ground. That will keep the rope seated in the shiv and not slipping as you ascend. Once it is mid-line attachable, be sure and run a hitch or a multiscender riding above the RollGliss and tethered past it to your bridge.
 
"Once it is mid-line attachable, be sure and run a hitch or a multiscender riding above the RollGliss and tethered past it to your bridge."

Thanks for the reminder!! I had tied a blakes hitch from my bridge above the device before trying it out today. I actually added a second bridge to my harness and had the rollgliss attached to one and the blakes tether attached to the other and was advancing it as I went so that there was no chance of any sudden drop for any reason. If I hadn't done that it would have sent me to the ground earlier considering what happened with that drill!! Lol, pretty quick to since I removed the internal brake pads and hardware!! I like me so I took every precaution!!!
 
@fish73
If you do what I have tried, you should still be able to use your gas drill. If I read your post correctly you mentioned it would go up but when you release the trigger it reverses and lowers you.
A blakes hitch or rope grab above the device captures your progress so once you stop the device you won't go down.
I used the Blakes on the kernmantle rope and worked fine. Using a rope grab you wouldn't be able to come back down on the access rope. My goal anyway is to go up!!! No reverse needed.
 
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