Justifying crane use

I think the quickest and least strenuous way to do it is to be waiting for the crane to at the sling areas. Using slings that have eyes on one side means they never have to come off the hook. Why run around a tree with slings around your back slinging pieces. Set the ball in the middle of the desired limb and use three slings with open ends. Up and down or riding a loaded stick is just crazy. I prefer not to do that. There are many ways, I just found this to be the best for me.
 
Open ended slings? Never heard of such a thing, and would be very hesitant to rely on a knot or hitch when lift or hoisting 5000 plus pounds over a house or two. I use 25-30 foot eye and eye slings. Presling as many as possible without running around to much. If its not preslung, I am waiting at the sling area, unhook from the ball, sling around limb, rehook to the ball, descend down and get into cutting position.
The beauty of really long slings is you can sling them higher up and you can usually attach them to the ball from your cutting position if they are preslung. I generally work with a second climber on big crane jobs. One climber sets slings and the other sits lower cutting. It works well. And before the critics pipe up, Im talking HUGE trees with huge cranes not jib trucks designed for setting pallets on rooves. Usually 165 ton, with extra counterweights, 180 feet of reach and taking picks that average 5000 pounds or more.
 
Riding the stick while loaded is just silly, I missed that post the first time around. I guess that they dont like safety rules much, like not riding the piece out, and wearing skidlids?

Not my/our style. I now see your point Top!
 
Have used some decient sized cranes here also. NOT AS GREAT as you the man but have had my fair share of large pieces. Basically use the same slings as Tod K does if that answers the open ended sling question. Didn't mean to make you feel less of a man. I have also used two guys on the bigger trees. That seems to work well . Less tiresome on either man.
 
Whats that all about? Less of a man? Dont be such a douchebag!
And throwing Tod Ks name in means nothing to me, I still dont know what slings your talking about.

The only reason I even mentioned 2 climbers and huge cranes is because in the past here, Ive posted pics of 2 climbers working a crane removal and been flamed for using 2 climbers in a tree, only to discover what most people consider a "crane removal" is a 20 ton jib truck picking a single stemmed conifer tree. To me that is not a crane but a material handler. Having been thru that discusion before I thought I would clarify right off the bat, that Im refering to big cranes and big trees. Good enough for you?
 
What this is all about is that I feel there is no need to be any better than anyone else. No one impresses me and I wasn't throwing anyone's name out there ding bat. The amsteel slings that have one eye on them and no eye on the other is what I am talking about. I was not critizing you for using two climbers because I also use that method. So calm your jets there dude and have a decent conversation like I thought this thread was going until you had to, for some reason try to flex your muscle.
 
And where did I flex my muscle?

I never once claimed to be better than anyone else. I only shared from my experience is all. Sorry to have offended you by speaking from my own experience.
 
"The amsteel slings that have one eye on them and no eye on the other is what I am talking about."

So the eye goes on the ball hook and the other end is attached to the tree part with a KNOT?
 
Yes. These have been termed as " Spider Legs" Just a long dead eye sling. The problem with fixed length slings is getting then equilized. With spider legs you simply put the ball at what you think is "center mass" and then tie it up. This has been by far the most consistant way to rig peices that are not vertical.
 

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only said bags need 2 climbers. cut me a break do you pay the groundmen extra to deal with 2 arse holes in the tree rather than 1 wuss. Heres an idea, learn to get your fat arse out there or stay out the tree, ball rider. Fat peeps got no reasone in trees they put more strees on it.
 
Yeah Tod, makes sense, nice picture too. I guess I've only used spider legs in conventional rigging. I'm not sure if our crane co. would let us use anything other than the slings they provide. But it does look like a good way to balance a tipsy leader, saves having to try and stand it up straight or cut smaller individual leads. You guys have your own crane or hire it out?



Hey Hollen, who put the bee in your bonnet? I think we're all pros here, at least those who act like it. Some of us have a different style of working and the idea behind the board is to share info, not trash others because you're unfamiliar with their techniques. If you keep an open mind, you may just learn something. I'm certain you'll trash me now so go ahead but don't expect a reply.
 
If your removing huge trees with huge cranes why would you run around the tree and preset 6 slings when you have to go to those same spots again to put those preset slings on the hook. That would be a huge waste of time and energy, nothing I hate worse than revisiting places of the tree I've already been too. Cutting from where you set the hook using your 35' slings wouldn't help this situation much either, especially when you're taking 5K leads out of Huge trees,that is unless your taking pretty small pieces or having alot of pieces flip.
 
The slings are long enough that they can be hooked to the ball from the cut area or very close to it. If they cannot be, the second climber will hook themto the ball. The pieces taken out are as big as possible and they're always butt heavy.

Hollen, thanks for the laugh cupcake!
 
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Bah I aint going to bash that. Just seen the others bickering over 2 climbers. We (the guys I work for) often do the same. Just if you aint going to have 4-5 guys on the ground, once the first pice hits ground , is useless. Less your paying the ground guys a bonus it aint going to be any faster. All you be doing is making your tree princess's job easier.
 
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you have some very loyal groundmen, I know many others that would just walk away.
 
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