Is it just me, or is SRT strenuous compared to DRT?

[islandarb]

I’m probably extreme but I don’t like MRS even when I’m using my lanyard as a second short rope ;-)

I am getting your vibe entirely here Andrew....

 

[islandarb]

Over the years I've talked with several climbers who were around fifty years old who changed over to SRT. They all thought that their climbing days were over because of achy joints from a career of footlocking and yarding ropes in DdRT. After dialing in their SRT setups they said that they knew that their climbing would continue and their achey joints would get a rest.

At 54 I never want to see a DdRT setup in my life again even to go 20' in a mango tree.

 

[southsoundtree]

I used a very effective 540 wrap on my DdRT lanyard this past week. It offers twist- stability.

I was grunting with a pole chainsaw from a live tree into a crusty, adjacent one.

 

[moss]

I used a very effective 540 wrap on my DdRT lanyard this past week. It offers twist- stability.

I was grunting with a pole chainsaw from a live tree into a crusty, adjacent one.

Fighting a pole chain saw is such a drag ;-)
-AJ

 

[southsoundtree]

Carbon fiber extensions on Kombisystem help. Limit one per customer

 

[Lupin_IV]

if I have to reset my TIP more than 3 or 4 times and MRS is the efficient way to do it I will still switch to SRS when working. Just can’t.

 

[DSMc]

I never knew that MRS/DdRT was so despised and abhorred by so many treebuzzers. I apologize for even mentioning it.

Not sure if you are saying that in pure sarcasm, but for me, the words despise and abhor, do not reflect how I feel about DdRT.

SRT is just so much more capable for the majority of what I need to do, that using DdRT would be a step backwards in functionality.

 

[RopeShield]

work positioning i love my mrs especially at angles approaching horizontal. just easier for slack tending and fine tuning position especially when foot and hand ascenders start to make climbing the tree cumbersome. it is easier just to stand/step/crawl up the limb and reach up and pull the rope rather than push rope thru an srt device.
srt for vertical up and down

 

[DSMc]

Thomas, have you ever tried a traveling haul-back? It is something that can easily be added after getting out on a limb and determining it would help with the return trip.

Just add a rope clamp with a pulley. Advancing it as you go by hand or an implement like a stick.

 

[Tuebor]

I dabble with MRS only after watching climbers win masters using it.

 

[Chris Schultz]

(Ramblings of a madman) Having only started SRT 2-3 years ago, I sort of force myself nowadays to climb SRT just to get reps under my belt, but I will always be a student of both disciplines. I definitely see and feel the benefits of having one stationary line while climbing. Having said that, many of my most recent climbs have had bits and pieces of a MRS peppered in. Whether it’s utilizing my lanyard system(in a MRS configuration), or controlling a return (to more stable rope angle) with a Blake’s hitch in a MRS with my ropes tail. It’s 2022 people… this still seems like an “us vs. them” “srt vs mrs” debate when it comes up….. Why is that? I feel it’s not so black and white.

 

[moss]

Not sure if you are saying that in pure sarcasm, but for me, the words despise and abhor, do not reflect how I feel about DdRT.

SRT is just so much more capable for the majority of what I need to do, that using DdRT would be a step backwards in functionality.

I had a lot of fun recently climbing MRS on a Blake’s with a student. Nothing to be despised about it ;-)
-AJ

 

[DSMc]

(Ramblings of a madman) Having only started SRT 2-3 years ago, I sort of force myself nowadays to climb SRT just to get reps under my belt, but I will always be a student of both disciplines. I definitely see and feel the benefits of having one stationary line while climbing. Having said that, many of my most recent climbs have had bits and pieces of a MRS peppered in. Whether it’s utilizing my lanyard system(in a MRS configuration), or controlling a return (to more stable rope angle) with a Blake’s hitch on a MRS with my ropes tail. It’s 2022 people… this still seems like an “us vs. them” “srt vs mrs” debate when it comes up….. Why is that? I feel it’s not so black and white.

I certainly can't speak for everyone here, but when I refer to using SRT, I am speaking about it as my primary and preferred climbing system.

When fine-tuning a work position or enhancing balance and control, use whatever is the most convenient. If that happens to have a DdRT configuration, well that makes perfect sense.

 

[Mike Islander]

Thomas, have you ever tried a traveling haul-back? It is something that can easily be added after getting out on a limb and determining it would help with the return trip.

Just add a rope clamp with a pulley. Advancing it as you go by hand or an implement like a stick.

Can you recommend a good rope clamp with pulley? I have a Petzl ascender that I could rig with an ISC micropulley/biner. But are there better options?

 

[DSMc]

I use the CT Roll N Lock and a Petzl Roll Clip Z most of the time.
They have a lot of other uses and don't take up much space on the harness. The non-locking Roll Clip is somewhat easier to use in a haul-back setup but the locking Z can be used in more situations.

A micro prussic also works well for this type of setup. They tend to grab better but sometimes they don't advance as easily.

 

[Mike Islander]

I use the CT Roll N Lock and a Petzl Roll Clip Z most of the time.
They have a lot of other uses and don't that up much space on the harness. The non-locking Roll Clip is somewhat easier to use in a haul-back setup but the locking Z can be used in more situations.

A micro prussic also works well for this type of setup. They tend to grab better but sometimes they don't advance as easily.

CT Roll N Lock is what I was looking at, beyond what I already own. Many thanks!

 

[Bart_]

It seems a lot of guys like their Mrs., except perhaps the divorced guys.

Other guys are like grown up kids playing in the dDirt.

A point to consider is if you're in a tree where you can 80% climb the tree, you hardly ever enter the inefficient DRT heavy rope skidding regime. It's more like a lineman's pole lanyard, alternated with static suspension duties.

In the early days of arborist SRT a hot item was a hand ascender with a side plate loading pulley bolted on. I made one. Alternative was DMM rollerbiner clipped to the ascender. Don't know how popular this type of 3:1 haul back approach has remained. Mine languished. I guess I just tend to avoid heavily rope supported limb walks on spindly branches, and when forced I break out the long lanyard as haul back and stabilization. I'm into redundancy.

 

[Stumpsprouts]

I never knew that MRS/DdRT was so despised and abhorred by so many treebuzzers. I apologize for even mentioning it.

It’s fundamental though! So important. Gotta know it.

That being said, even on the ball today I didn’t have the patience for it… coming up and down on a dead ash using the ball as an artificial tie in point. This non retreivable SRT setup seemed like a good idea, and I could get in and out of it without unhooking from the crane… it’s just a couple alpine butterflies connected via quickie and the biner for redundancy / hooking onto when done.

 

[southsoundtree]

A HUGE advantage is that a direct emergency shot to the ground can be had with SRS, even with the rope trapped by things on the ground ( logs/ brush) provided it isn't actively tensioning down on your tail.


A HH travels fine on a taut rope.
You can ascend a slanting, taut line with a HH/ HH2.
I've used this to get to a snag i couldn't put weight on, with only one tall tree in the vicinity.

You can get by easily with shorter ropes with SRS, and also shorter tails.

 

[rico]

SRT and DdRT are invaluable tools, and any self respecting tree-man should be proficient in both. One is not better than the other, but instead, one or the other will usually show itself to be better at a given task. To dismiss either is doing oneself a real disservice.