Im new to the business, but never climbed before. Any advice?

[climbhightree]

Well man will.make zero. Dat mek coming at a big ass chunk of the 2500. And then it needs precessing for hauling off to a dump site....there goes the BANK.

A 40 ton stick crane subs for 150ish per hour in my area. I dont sub my truck yet, but when it goes out with us I charge slightly more than that per hour for it (doubling our cost per hour...but also cutting our job time by at least half). It make me money, and the jobs a whole lot safer and faster. Plus saves dealing with more employees.

 

[RopeShield]

 

[islandarb]

A 40 ton stick crane subs for 150ish per hour in my area. I dont sub my truck yet, but when it goes out with us I charge slightly more than that per hour for it (doubling our cost per hour...but also cutting our job time by at least half). It make me money, and the jobs a whole lot safer and faster. Plus saves dealing with more employees.

I was saying poor buddio @Jorgon1022. After your mek and equip come in man will be left with a hundo. That equip and labour worth every penny. Lot of iron on site. Those trees are underquoted if bossman does not climb. Once labour and iron is involved profits go out the door at that quote. I can get those two puppies on the ground and make them disappear and still make money. But I live on an island where overheads are extremely cheap.

 

[owScott]

Thats the other thing. I came in here looking at tree service from a business perspective. Many here look at from an arborist perspective. Many here are super passionate about trees and doing whats best for a tree.

But from a business point of view, we are here to serve customers. Serving them sometimes means that you are going to top out that tree and leave it ugly but you will explain to them the consequences of doing it and if they still are adamant about topping it off, you do it. Because from a business perspective you are there to serve their needs.

Some will argue that long term you are doing them a disservice. I don't agree with that as long as you communicate the consequences of their actions and have them sign off on it.

Did you just say you top trees because that is what the customer wants? That is crap work. That is the definition of being a hack.

 

[JD3000]

Dude messaged and wanted to know if I’d run out and train his crew.

It’s about 400 miles from me, and I’m swamped with work. It would be a pretty penny for sure. Training takes much more than a weekend

 

[CanaryBoss]

Here for erxmple-I'm going to start an electrical biz, sell some work based on my past experiences as constructiioon labour and renovating my home working with a electrician, show up, fuck shit up and and get electrocuted. Probabley know enough to stay alive, I hope
Yes we are crucifying you for trying. We could encourage you. It would be dishonest.
Your fucked up if you think you fake it till you make it in this
most dangerous biz the tree biz.
Everyone here has survived serious injuries or mishaps and are trying hard to save youir life.
Move on bro take the advice given and leave this work.
i know it, I get it, your in love with the idea of being a tree a man, do it or shut up, fight the good fight, do your best.
Just losing my patience

This tree stuff is serious! I almost died. And I’m an ACE for real

 

[hseII]

Correct @swingdude . Cant fit a lift or bucket truck. This is a climber job. At 2500, I underbid. One climber should be able to do this in 16 hours using rigging techniques. I wouldn't chuck anything since the Jacuzzi is there along with a wood patio/roof under those branches.

There’s not a Climber alive that can work 16 hrs in 1 day.

You either have Zero Clue or you have achieved Troll Level Golden.


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[evo]

I’d love to wake up with a bad hangover in a puddle of body fluids next to you any day.. song made my day during this May predrought heatwave

 

[evo]

There’s not a Climber alive that can work 16 hrs in 1 day.

You either have Zero Clue or you have achieved Troll Level Golden.


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He might be talking about 2 days? If need twice that to do the job, and travel expenses

 

[Jonny]

Good luck with the business venture, man. If only luck was real.

One of the fringe benefits of going to work starting on the ground at a busy tree service is you'll meet some other tree guys and possibly make some friends that might help you out. Even if that doesn't happen, you'll learn alot about what you're trying to do.

 

[hseII]

He might be talking about 2 days? If need twice that to do the job, and travel expenses

He started out with Below & then turned it in to 2 days.

Either way, he don’t HAFC.

I am. This opens another conversation.

Because I worked in landscaping for 5+ years, one thing I did learn to do was to prune. I got pretty proficient and pruning and I know this because a lot of times we kept lawn customers for years and would also do the pruning for them.

Over the years, we would see how the pruned trees would flourish, no disease, etc.

Pruning and tree removals are two completely different things. I am more worried about removals. Removals present difficulties like barber chair, removing limbs next to fences, roofs, etc.

Rigging is super interesting as well, but also dangerous.


The only way to find out is to do it right? Here, ill embarrass myself even more. I might as well since you guys are already grilling me. Check out these two trees here. I estimated them at 2500 dollars to bring both of them down.

I imagine a good climber can bring both of these down in 1 day? But I could be wrong. They are both locust trees I believe.

Correct @swingdude . Cant fit a lift or bucket truck. This is a climber job. At 2500, I underbid. One climber should be able to do this in 16 hours using rigging techniques. I wouldn't chuck anything since the Jacuzzi is there along with a wood patio/roof under those branches.

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[Jorgon1022]

There’s not a Climber alive that can work 16 hrs in 1 day.

You either have Zero Clue or you have achieved Troll Level Golden.


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You either are trying to not understand or you are trolling. 16 hours worth of work doesnt mean someone has to work 16 hours in one day. It means 2x8 hour days.

 

[JD3000]

My name is Paul not Pussy. Do I look at 52, bday on monday like I give a fuck about rich white collar soft hand pricks....View attachment 59603

 

[JD3000]

Well...after two of these

And two of these

I'm gonna drop some science on y'all after reading the whole shebang. Here's a few points I'd like to make known to the OP.

1. MASH is still the best show on television.
2. If you eat a bunch of deep dish pizza, have two gin and tonics, and two IPAs, you'll probably need some tums. Of course, your days of gluttony and boozing are done cuz you'll be working too much.
3. You've been inundated with comments stressing the level of scientific knowledge and practical field experience necessary to be proficient and profitable in this industry. I would like to stress the same but with an emphasis on safety for yourself, your crews, the homeowners, and all those close to a potential drop zone of a tree you may be felling in the future. Many of you know that I'm not a climber. @swingdude can hate for a minute but I ain't mad at ya, yer too damn sexy. Also, I only fell those trees that I am personally confident and comfortable in safely doing the job. I'm an excellent pruner but, again, only tackle the jobs that I know I can handle. All of that said, I have a strong plant science background and over 20 years experience in arboriculture and I can assure you that you aren't there yet. I get calls, texts, emails, and messages here all the time regarding the care of trees and answer them to the best of my abilities based on my knowledge and experiences. I'm regarded, by at least some, as something of an expert in my field, particularly regarding preservation, selection, and pruning of trees amongst a few others.

Here's the thing. I don't know fuckall about trees.

I am continually learning more and more each day about trees both by research and field experience about the behavior of trees and am genuinely suprised on many an occasion by them. To think that you can just jump into this and hire a contract climbing gangster is pure folly.

Let that sink in homie. Trees are dynamic and unpredictable things and the collective here on the Buzz will attest to it. How about from the standpoint of risk assessment for homeowners and tree workers? Is that black crud smeared raccoon crap or is it Kretzschmaria on that beech? Did you notice it? That's potential for disaster if you say the tree is fine or you send a climber up in it.

Think about it another way. We've brought in physicists, mathematicians, and engineers to trees and asked them to predict the likelyhood of failure of a given trees. Their response can be paraphrased something like "Are you fucking kidding me!?!?!"
We're talking about living and breathing organisms with irregular and mostly tapering cross sections with unknown variables and irregularities such as cracks and decayed voids, changing surface areas, soil conditions, wind and moisture changes, insect and pathogen activities... so on and so on, ad infinitum.... Now consider that each species of tree behaves differently.

To that point, the best experts regarding trees are in fact tree experts without question. And we're all still learning each day.

We ain't building cabinets.

I hope you hire some damn fine people.

 

[evo]

Well...after two of these
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And two of these
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I'm gonna drop some science on y'all after reading the whole shebang. Here's a few points I'd like to make known to the OP.

1. MASH is still the best show on television.
2. If you eat a bunch of deep dish pizza, have two gin and tonics, and two IPAs, you'll probably need some tums. Of course, your days of gluttony and boozing are done cuz you'll be working too much.
3. You've been inundated with comments stressing the level of scientific knowledge and practical field experience necessary to be proficient and profitable in this industry. I would like to stress the same but with an emphasis on safety for yourself, your crews, the homeowners, and all those close to a potential drop zone of a tree you may be felling in the future. Many of you know that I'm not a climber. @swingdude can hate for a minute but I ain't mad at ya, yet too damn sexy. Also, I only fell those trees that I am personally confident and comfortable in safely doing the job. I'm an excellent pruner but, again, only tackle the jobs that I know I can handle. All of that said, I have a strong plant science background and over 20 years experience in arboriculture and I can assure you that you aren't there yet. I get calls, texts, emails, and messages here all the time regarding the care of trees and answer them to the best of my abilities based on my knowledge and experiences. I'm regarded, by at least some, as something of an expert in my field, particularly regarding preservation, selection, and pruning of trees amongst a few others.

Here's the thing. I don't know fuckall about trees.

I am continually learning more and more each day about trees both by research and field experience about the behavior of trees and am genuinely suprised on many an occasion by them. To think that you can just jump into this and hire a contract climbing gangster is pure folly.

Let that sink in homie. Trees are dynamic and unpredictable things and the collective here on the Buzz will attest to it. How about from the standpoint of risk assessment for homeowners and tree workers? Is that black crud smeared raccoon crap or is it Kretzschmaria on that beech? Did you notice it? That's potential for disaster if you say the tree is fine or you send a climber up in it.

Think about it another way. We've brought in physicists, mathematicians, and engineers to trees and asked them to predict the likelyhood of failure of a given trees. Their response can be paraphrased something like "Are you fucking kidding me!?!?!"
We're talking about living and breathing organisms with irregular and mostly tapering cross sections with unknown variables irregularities such as cracks and decayed voids, changing surface areas, soil conditions, wind and moisture changes, insect and pathogen activities... so on and so on, ad infinitum.... Now consider that each species of tree behaves differently.

To that point, the best experts regarding trees are in fact tree experts without question. And we're all still learning each day.

We ain't building cabinets.

I hope you hire some damn fine people.

Two more please..

 

[JD3000]

Two more please..

Me and @evo , we were fuckin corndogs. Punk rock changed our lives.

 

[Cereal_Killer]

Have you ever even been in a tree before? How do you know you won't get up there and be scared shitless and it take everything you have to get back down without puking your guts out and/or shitting your pants?


How much more than the $2500 do you have alloted for gear to do this job? Cause from nothing to everything you need to climb, rig and cut that you'll be lucky to get it for 2500...

 

[Jorgon1022]

Have you ever even been in a tree before? How do you know you won't get up there and be scared shitless and it take everything you have to get back down without puking your guts out and/or shitting your pants?


How much more than the $2500 do you have alloted for gear to do this job? Cause from nothing to everything you need to climb, rig and cut that you'll be lucky to get it for 2500...

Yes I have. Ive been on a tree before. When I said that I have never climbed I meant it in the context of not having climbed enough to feel that I am proficient at it. I am plenty comfortable on a tree as long as I have the harness but have never cut a tree using a chainsaw. All I have ever done is pruning and the tree has never been more than 40 feet tall.

As far as gear goes I already have rope, harness, chainsaws, handsaws, blocks, caribiners, a dump trailer and my pickup.

 

[Jorgon1022]

Well...after two of these
View attachment 59614
And two of these
View attachment 59615
I'm gonna drop some science on y'all after reading the whole shebang. Here's a few points I'd like to make known to the OP.

1. MASH is still the best show on television.
2. If you eat a bunch of deep dish pizza, have two gin and tonics, and two IPAs, you'll probably need some tums. Of course, your days of gluttony and boozing are done cuz you'll be working too much.
3. You've been inundated with comments stressing the level of scientific knowledge and practical field experience necessary to be proficient and profitable in this industry. I would like to stress the same but with an emphasis on safety for yourself, your crews, the homeowners, and all those close to a potential drop zone of a tree you may be felling in the future. Many of you know that I'm not a climber. @swingdude can hate for a minute but I ain't mad at ya, yer too damn sexy. Also, I only fell those trees that I am personally confident and comfortable in safely doing the job. I'm an excellent pruner but, again, only tackle the jobs that I know I can handle. All of that said, I have a strong plant science background and over 20 years experience in arboriculture and I can assure you that you aren't there yet. I get calls, texts, emails, and messages here all the time regarding the care of trees and answer them to the best of my abilities based on my knowledge and experiences. I'm regarded, by at least some, as something of an expert in my field, particularly regarding preservation, selection, and pruning of trees amongst a few others.

Here's the thing. I don't know fuckall about trees.

I am continually learning more and more each day about trees both by research and field experience about the behavior of trees and am genuinely suprised on many an occasion by them. To think that you can just jump into this and hire a contract climbing gangster is pure folly.

Let that sink in homie. Trees are dynamic and unpredictable things and the collective here on the Buzz will attest to it. How about from the standpoint of risk assessment for homeowners and tree workers? Is that black crud smeared raccoon crap or is it Kretzschmaria on that beech? Did you notice it? That's potential for disaster if you say the tree is fine or you send a climber up in it.

Think about it another way. We've brought in physicists, mathematicians, and engineers to trees and asked them to predict the likelyhood of failure of a given trees. Their response can be paraphrased something like "Are you fucking kidding me!?!?!"
We're talking about living and breathing organisms with irregular and mostly tapering cross sections with unknown variables and irregularities such as cracks and decayed voids, changing surface areas, soil conditions, wind and moisture changes, insect and pathogen activities... so on and so on, ad infinitum.... Now consider that each species of tree behaves differently.

To that point, the best experts regarding trees are in fact tree experts without question. And we're all still learning each day.

We ain't building cabinets.

I hope you hire some damn fine people.

1. Game of Thrones has surpassed every TV show out there as far as best show on TV.
3. I agree with you. This is why I am going to take it slow. But one thing is to tell me to take it slow and another is to just downright want to discourage me from getting into this industry.

I mean, I might as well get some help if I already made up my mind you know? lol

 

[NashvilleTN]

Me and @evo , we were fuckin corndogs. Punk rock changed our lives.

That drink you made looks tasty. What flavor is it? I want to start drinking but I have trouble with the taste of alcohol. MASH is my moms favorite show I have never really watched so I don’t know how I like it. One old show I really like is “The Andy Griffith Show” I watch it every week.