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- kissimmee florida usa
oach good thing for lifts.we all got our battle scares to learn from
I hate dead trees
- Thread starter Jeremy9
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- Location
- Bluff country, Wisconsin
- Location
- Bluff country, Wisconsin
- Location
- Bluff country, Wisconsin
- Location
- Bluff country, Wisconsin
- Location
- Bluff country, Wisconsin
tomthetreeman
Participating member
- Location
- Rhode Island
How's that poison ivy treatin' ya? Is that what that was?
-Tom
-Tom
- Location
- Bluff country, Wisconsin
Sorry Tom, That is my 3/4" Samson stable braid. Please excuse my ignorance but is Posion Ivy not a climbing rope?
I was taught long ago that you don't climb on a bull line and you don't pull with a climbing rope. Am I wrong?
I would love to hear your and everyones input on this!
Knowledge is power,Baby!
I was taught long ago that you don't climb on a bull line and you don't pull with a climbing rope. Am I wrong?
Knowledge is power,Baby!
tomthetreeman
Participating member
- Location
- Rhode Island
I was talking about the red leaved vines all over the tree LOL! Looks like poison ivy to me! ...As in Rhus toxicodendron!
-Tom
-Tom
easyphloem
Branched out member
- Location
- Louisville, KY
Poison Ivy is so pretty in the fall.
SZ
SZ
tomthetreeman
Participating member
- Location
- Rhode Island
It is, isn't it?
- Location
- Bluff country, Wisconsin
Sorry Tom, should have thought of that
, didn't climb the tree though, dead and standing for way too long!! Tossed a line in and "gently" applied tension with the loader until it exploded, then dropped the trunk.
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
I had a nasty one yesterday, here's a post from the Treehouse about it, no pics, sorry about that. It's more of a rave about HTP rope than a horror story though...
I bought 200' of Snakebite (Sterling HTP)... mainly because I just wanted it. My longest lifeline is 130' so I figured it would be good for access on big trees. I may try SRT again... maybe.
Anyway, I figured it was an expensive toy more than an investment in my kit.
I showed up at a job today that I bid over a month ago... nasty dead leaning maple covered with hypoxylon... aimed right at a house. It sounded OK with a hammer but not great.
I think I planned to hang it from a white oak behind it but that was waaay optimistic in terms of rope angle and size of the limb I'd be hanging it from. So I convinced myself to just climb the damn thing and get it done.
About 20' was a big side branch so I cut it... sorta. I made a little undercut and barely got into the top cut and it popped off, real brittle like. The tree shook and the roots made this awful creaking popping noise and I got the hell down. I was already soaked with sweat so I can't say whether I pissed myself or not... if I didn't, I should have.
I'd thought about a highline earlier and had dismissed the idea so now I proceeded to set it up. Using the static HTP as the highline I didn't even have to tension it... the whole setup took less than 30 minutes and I was able to go back up keeping most of my weight on the highline and piece out the top. Those roots kept making bad noises whenever a big piece came off. It was still scary cuz I worried the tree would fail and hit the house.
It so happened the highline was nicely positioned to climb another smaller leaning dead maple so I pieced it down too. The fall was probably doable but piecing it made it 100% certain.
The HTP made the highline a really simple setup because it's small diameter and stiff so it passes over crotches easy and the low elongation made it so tensioning by hand was good enough.
You'd think I would've known better... dead maple... hypoxylon... ? It's remarkable how one can justify stupid stuff like climbing in the very situation that got you badly hurt before.
I bought 200' of Snakebite (Sterling HTP)... mainly because I just wanted it. My longest lifeline is 130' so I figured it would be good for access on big trees. I may try SRT again... maybe.
Anyway, I figured it was an expensive toy more than an investment in my kit.
I showed up at a job today that I bid over a month ago... nasty dead leaning maple covered with hypoxylon... aimed right at a house. It sounded OK with a hammer but not great.
I think I planned to hang it from a white oak behind it but that was waaay optimistic in terms of rope angle and size of the limb I'd be hanging it from. So I convinced myself to just climb the damn thing and get it done.
About 20' was a big side branch so I cut it... sorta. I made a little undercut and barely got into the top cut and it popped off, real brittle like. The tree shook and the roots made this awful creaking popping noise and I got the hell down. I was already soaked with sweat so I can't say whether I pissed myself or not... if I didn't, I should have.
I'd thought about a highline earlier and had dismissed the idea so now I proceeded to set it up. Using the static HTP as the highline I didn't even have to tension it... the whole setup took less than 30 minutes and I was able to go back up keeping most of my weight on the highline and piece out the top. Those roots kept making bad noises whenever a big piece came off. It was still scary cuz I worried the tree would fail and hit the house.
It so happened the highline was nicely positioned to climb another smaller leaning dead maple so I pieced it down too. The fall was probably doable but piecing it made it 100% certain.
The HTP made the highline a really simple setup because it's small diameter and stiff so it passes over crotches easy and the low elongation made it so tensioning by hand was good enough.
You'd think I would've known better... dead maple... hypoxylon... ? It's remarkable how one can justify stupid stuff like climbing in the very situation that got you badly hurt before.
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Sorry Tom, should have thought of that
, didn't climb the tree though, dead and standing for way too long!! Tossed a line in and "gently" applied tension with the loader until it exploded, then dropped the trunk.
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Great pics Woodsboy!
You weren't working alone were yu?
Thanks for sharing.
jomoco
Sorry Tom, should have thought of that
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Great pics Woodsboy!
You weren't working alone were yu?
Thanks for sharing.
jomoco
So a "highline" is a safe tie in point not in the hazard tree you're in...right? What's hypoxyln?
Way to Git er done by the way.
Way to Git er done by the way.
matdand
Participating member
- Location
- Montreal, Qc
Hey Blinky,
did you try the snakebite for SRT ascent. Ive been thinking of getting some but my boss says its not worth the money. What did you think about it?
did you try the snakebite for SRT ascent. Ive been thinking of getting some but my boss says its not worth the money. What did you think about it?
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
John... Yep, you string a horizontal rope between two sound trees and hang a floating anchor from it. This is a pic from one I setup with Stable Braid a while back...
It makes scary trees a lot more comfortable. You need a way to get away from your lanyard if the primary structure fails... but that's another discussion. I only put in the lanyard when I needed it for positioning. With Stable Braid I had to tension the whole system with a 5:1. With the HTP I just pulled it hand tight and it was good.
Matt... I haven't yet, probably will sometime though. I usually footlock and Snakebite rocks for footlocking. I bought it instead of a longer lifeline, my 130' PI still has a lot of climbing left in it.
I'll be asking about SRT work systems pretty soon, but for ascent, I'm a bullheaded diehard footlocker.
The main thing about Snakebite though, is that it LOOKS cool.
It makes scary trees a lot more comfortable. You need a way to get away from your lanyard if the primary structure fails... but that's another discussion. I only put in the lanyard when I needed it for positioning. With Stable Braid I had to tension the whole system with a 5:1. With the HTP I just pulled it hand tight and it was good.
Matt... I haven't yet, probably will sometime though. I usually footlock and Snakebite rocks for footlocking. I bought it instead of a longer lifeline, my 130' PI still has a lot of climbing left in it.
I'll be asking about SRT work systems pretty soon, but for ascent, I'm a bullheaded diehard footlocker.
The main thing about Snakebite though, is that it LOOKS cool.
- Location
- Springfield MO
When I put my lanyard on a dead tree or even a unstable piece in a live tree I make sure my stopper knot is taken out so I can burn out of it completely ,In addition to that choke the lanyard and tie it off with a daisy chain knot using my rope snap as a handle to pull the knot out with , Kinda a quick release. Just my two cents It makes me feel better on rickety wood.
- Location
- BC, Canada
I've also done dead, dead, dead removals that no one in their sane mind would climb and no higher tree for a decent TIP by being elevated in a man basket on a crane.
It's like using a really long reach bucket truck with someone else at the controls and if you impart rotational forces to the basket, well, you will rotate. It's a 4' by 6' platform, you've got a fall arrest harness clipped in overhead, you learn to walk your feet against the forces the chainsaw imparts pretty quick.
Also very spendy, crane is on the job far longer than a climb and pick.
But when it's the only way anyone can think of doing it...
Northwind
It's like using a really long reach bucket truck with someone else at the controls and if you impart rotational forces to the basket, well, you will rotate. It's a 4' by 6' platform, you've got a fall arrest harness clipped in overhead, you learn to walk your feet against the forces the chainsaw imparts pretty quick.
Also very spendy, crane is on the job far longer than a climb and pick.
But when it's the only way anyone can think of doing it...
Northwind
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