How do YOU tie on the climbers saw?

[frans]

Here is a little trick I picked up from Julian Thorn one of the climbers that works for me.
Time and time again I send down my saw to be re-filled and get it back tied on to my climbing line with a nice bowline, figure 8 or some other hard to untie knot. (the tail is short in the photo, normally it would be longer but this works for purposes of illustration)
In the past I would prefer a 'slippery' knot, but with the lighter saws this is my preferred way.
The climbing line bight is brought through the handle, and then the loop is placed over the chain brake. The key is to have the tail under the bight of the rope so it wont slip.
Anyone else do this trick?
Frans

 

[Kathy_Holzer]

i used to do the same thing w/my little climbing saws but it makes me a little nervous, though it seems plenty secure. these days i prefer a sort of slipped overhand knot w/ the biner at the chainsaw end of my lanyard through it - the catch is you have to tie it such that the bight gets smaller w/the weight of the saw rather than larger (upside down?). this way i get the saw, clip the biner at the other end of my lanyard to my saddle, unclip the biner attaching it to the rope, and give the tail of my rope a yank to pull out the slipped knot. the saw is tied on (to something) at all times, and i have nothing to untie, plus it's a really easy knot for the ground dude once they get it. sweet.

it's the little things, isn't it?
k.

 

[Mahk_Adams]

We use that method. It is quick to tie and untie. But there are some draw backs. Tying the the saw as pictured makes it come up the tree in a horizontal position and, in a thick tree it catches and bangs on lots of branches on the way up. When the tree has lots of limbs we use two half hitches tied at the back of the top handle so the saw comes up in a more vertical position.

Another draw back is that if you clip the saw on your saddle and then untie the knot the knot is farther away with this method. Tying the knot at the back of the top handle puts the knot closer to the climber.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

I've used a variation on that.

First, I start with a bight in the middle of the rope or leave a long, at least 5' tail, and pass the bight through the top handle from right to left. Then, go under the tube handle. Pull about a foot or so of bight, give a half twist and then over the chainbrake handle.

The twist adds just enough friction to hold the rope. Dress things nicely and "Saw on!" to the climber. The only time this hasn't worked is if the bight isn't tucked under as much of a corner as you can find of the chain brake.

 

[TreeCo]

Hey Frans in your photo you are putting the weight of the saw on the throttle trigger with the saftey lock not activated. I think something is going to get broken especially if the saw hangs up and gets extra pulling.

When the groundie is tying the saw mid line I just have them tie a midline overhand knot and clip the biner on the saw lanyard into the loop. It's the way my grand pappy taught me and his grand pappy taught him.

 

[Leon]

I try to get the groundies to clip the saw onto a slip knot, like Kathy does. Unfortunately, I usually pull up a mess of half hitches the size of a volleyball.

 

[Rupe]

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Unfortunately, I usually pull up a mess of half hitches the size of a volleyball.

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I'm with you on that one! I think some groundies have a form of Knot dylsexier!

If all goes to plan I prefer Kathy's method.

 

[Colin]

I would answer, but Frans might freak!

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Butch,

I saw that at the TH. Nice, but you should have looked here first:

http://www.hiarchive.co.uk/binford.php

Snag a pic of the Binford 6100 or something.

 

[frans]

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Hey Frans in your photo you are putting the weight of the saw on the throttle trigger with the saftey lock not activated. I think something is going to get broken especially if the saw hangs up and gets extra pulling.

When the groundie is tying the saw mid line I just have them tie a midline overhand knot and clip the biner on the saw lanyard into the loop. It's the way my grand pappy taught me and his grand pappy taught him.

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I just tied it like that for the picture. Normally it would be dressed properly. If you included the trigger in the knot it wont set tightly
Frans

 

[Roger_Barnett]

Yo franz, recognize this fella?

I've tied saws on your way a few times...don't like it for the same reasons others have posted.

Hey, can ya send me a copy of the LD/drop a Volvo video, s'il vous plait?!

 

[Roger_Barnett]

Here's a trick I'm sure some of youse guys use, no knot required, no pulling up the line so you can lower the saw. Works great for pulling up a big saw, as the groundies do the work. Of course ya need 3x the rope length as your height above terra firma...if you plan on gettin' help pulling 'er up, 2x if it's a doityerself...

Not as fast on the way down as zippin' her out, that's even funner!

The stock method of course is to do as Kathy says, midline slippery half hitch...if'n ya don't have a lowering line on a pulley handy, of course...