hacks and toppers

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allot of what is said here makes my mind draw parallels to the arguments in saw for hire.

i love the talk of education as intervention rather than investigations and fines, OSHA and the like
like the TCIA books say we are all responsible for our own safety
to set regulations and consequences is necessary but lines have to be drawn or else one day we will be protected so well we will not even be allowed to perform our dangerous and important work.

back on track to an attempt to damage ones reputation for an action that one performs. I think there is a black and white here. topping is a tree killer all around no brainer of a wrongful practice. If a company robs trees of their dignity because they really are that misinformed or uneducated that is one thing. If a person orders the systematic murder of trees by decapitation execution style for fun and profit then that is another battle all together. that is premeditated tree-slaughter. If the road to "green" keeps up in the not to distant future that could be quite a serious offense.

i hope the industry majority will aim at right tree practices and right actions in general because when we are in a company truck or shirt in public whether we like it or not we not only represent the co. but the industry. even if that shirt has no sleeves...
 
This thread and several others are all starting to merge into the same topic. What gets me is that everyone is focused on other tree companies in general being hacks and toppers. Home owners want there trees topped. I dont like it and wont do it. Homeowners also pile mulch up to high and plant to deep, over and under water, plant in the the wrong spots..... The list goes on and on. All of these thing are death sentences to trees. The last few post under the saw for hire thread sum it all up best. If you want to see a change become more active in the education of the consumers in your area. If people continue to pay then these services will continue to be offered. I would be willing to bet that landscape companies kill more trees than toppers.
 
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I'm seeing it more and more in my area, most of the time alot worse then the one you have pics of.

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I'm kind of wondering if the economy is going to encourage jobless guys to think, "Hmmm... Maybe I'll try cutt'n trees?"
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Dick Proudfoot said that when the logging economy was down in Oregon all it took to do city treework was a pickup, ladder, a saw and dog.

Tree work is one of the easiest ways to make big money doing service work. Low overhead, most people have a pickup and a ladder. The best or worst thing is that consumers really have no clue what good or bad treework is. They can tell what a good roofing job looks like or even a painting job.

We need more arbo-evangelists beating out the message from the field.
 
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looks like a 1970's truck. boom all rusted.

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Hey my truck is from the 70's and is rusted, what does this have to do with it?
 
Does anyone on this site represent TCIA or ISA? What did they mean in their newsletter about more consumer outreach? Educate the customers!!! Companies that want to sell their products get out and educate the market through shows, TV programming, radio, newspaper articles, internet, etc...

I've yet to see ISA doing any of this.
 
TH, I represent NEISA, and I beg to differ... Since I have been involved we have done as much public education as possible, and we are constantly looking to augment this. The Trees are Good website has TONS of information for the public, and we push this, especially to other org's so they don't go reinventing the wheel. We do spend alot of time trying to educate our own industry (we could do better), so our commitment to the public is somewhat limited, but it is still substantial. To wit, this year's ITCC will include a public education oriented 'Arbor-fair,' as opposed to the typical Field Day.

-Tom
 
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I'm just starting out with my business and most people around here top trees. I want to learn the right way, any sugesstions on books for me to read on what to do instead of topping. Also what to do when a tree has almost been topped by an ice storm? thanks
 
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It's not just killing, it is committing property damage and loss. Trees add value to a property.
The courts are full of neighbor vs neighbor disputes regarding tree damage yet when a valuable specimen tree is disfigured by "unqualified landscape personnel" the owner of the tree calls me (the arborist) and their only question to me is, "Can you 'fix' the tree?"

What about attributing consequences to the perpetrators of this devaluation of your property?


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tomthetreeman and treehumper etal,

In another thread treehumper referred to a recent New Jersey Garden Show and mentioned it as a missed opportunity for the ISA, calling it "the low hanging fruit" that was not taken, for the fact of no ISA presence.

I agree.

Just wrapped up here was the BC Home and Garden Show, HUGE, held in a covered football stadium, with larger displays spilling out into the parking lot.

The program was intended for both the consumer and the professional. Davey was there, Bartlett was there.

WorksafeBC (Provincial OHSA) was there, promoting safe practices to the industry, Health Canada was there, promoting effective WHMIS programs and employee health among other things.

More to the point, BCLNA, the British Columbia Landscape and Nursery Association had an effective presence, promoting to the consumer the benefit of hiring landscapers with appropriate training, insurance and certifications.

The ISA? Nope. No one home.

These mega Garden Shows are such a perfect fit for the ISA, the consumer audience is right at hand and ready, willing to learn.

I'd like to see it happen.


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Northwind, we as a Chapter (NEC-ISA) handle our business pretty well IMO. We network within our own states very well, with great connections among our other NE professional org's, including Mass Arborists Association, Maine Arb's Association, CTPA, RITree, etc, many of whom are doing their own outreach as well, so there is a great dovetailing effect that we benefit from. We also maintain a presence at New England Grows, which is a major event here in New England, without a doubt. Our TCC is going to have a public education component this May, and the ITCC in Providence is going to have an educational Arbor Fair with 20-40 booths offering diverse ed opportunities for all levels on the second day, as opposed to the usual field day activities. It comes down to what individual chapters wish to do, and I can't speak for what they do or the importance they place on attendance at green industry conferences and outreach. I think as individual chapters we are all learning just what our missions and parameters are. This is all done on a volunteer basis, and it is yeoman's work IMO. We (NEC-ISA) are going to be performing a survey of our membership (6-700 people) soon, to determine how to better serve our membership. I am open to ideas to improve, and will gladly share our successes and failures with other chapters when possible.

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(PS - Our website, www.newenglandisa.org has a picture of our booth at NEGrows on the main page!)

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I can start off I have more than a handful of companies in south Jersey, even got acouple from PA.

Are we only listing certed companies? Or will it be any? Do State certed companies count for more?
 
When I first started surfing the Internet, I had a good feeling that it could soon become as valuable a tool to us arborists as the chainsaw itself. As time went on, I searched and looked for the type of website that might become a daily "web-stop" for my online experience.

Cran Dentist Tom Dunlap and I then made the decision to collaborate and bring this concept to life. TreeBuzz.com. is that concept. It was originally designed to extend or build upon the experiences shared at such events as the ISA's ITCC and the TCIA's TCI Expo, as well as local workshops and seminars. This type of professional interaction continues to expand our working knowledge about our industry.

I hope that you will enjoy and use TreeBuzz.com to help you with your daily tasks as a practicing professional arborist. After all, tree work is tough enough without having to learn all of the ins and outs for ourselves. Sincerely,

Mark J Chisholm

Tom Dunlap



The original concept of the Buzz doesn't reflect in the ramblings of this thread.

Putting people out of business because they don't follow the same path you do.

How do you interpret who's a hack and who's not? Exactly?
 
Out of respect for Dr. Seuss I sure wouldn't use copyrighted images or even the 'I speak for trees' lingo. But that's me...

A portion of what is discussed here are things that I don't agree with. But, having a place to get the discussion out in the open is part of the concept and 'editorial policy' that Mark and I agree on. As long as the discussion stays relatively polite we let things flow. Agreeing to disagree, without resorting to beating on each other with baseball bats has value.

There are behind the scenes, private, conversations that go on the do direct the discussions. It's unlikely that any of these discussions will ever be obvious.
 
People who sell the topping of trees are hacks Gerald.
People who have been educated and still top trees for the sake of a dollar suck and are directly taking food off of my kids plate.


Ill come back to the buzz when I have something postworthy.
Its been fun.
 
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