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DSMc said:
A strong statement. Do you have any reliable documentation to support it?

Do you not understand that your statement is just as hate filled and extreme as those it is targeting?
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Just two days ago he appeared in a video in support of the German far-right group AfD, which aims to 'eliminate the free democratic basic order'. Its leaders have used nazi slogans and are generally considered 'Neo nazis'. Musk was in full support of this group, telling them to 'move beyond' nazi guilt.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/elon-musk-far-right-germans-proud-past-sins-rcna189281 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ilt-dangerous-holocaust-memorial-c-rcna189316

Musk's grandparents, Wyn Fletcher and Joshua Haldeman, were nazi supports in Canada in the 40s.

Images of Musk's salute were banned from print in Germany as it was considered a symbol of an illegal organization. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-musk-tesla-nazi-salute/a-71403737

Hating nazis is protecting the common good. They are a dangerous plague to our society. it is NOT in a way equivalent to hating someone for their religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. These are people united with an aim to destroy people because of their identities. A little insane I need to remind people why nazis are bad, but now I know something important about you.
Boomslang said:
Silence speaks volumes.
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yea the silence says I had something to do this morning other than explain to adults why the nazi ideology must be stopped. I was at a tree protection task force meeting presenting the data I collected for Helene storm damages. I’m working on a paper, highlighting the work I’ve been doing trying to get a better sense of failure profiles, seeing what species and size of trees were more prone to failure. Actually I’ll be presenting at the ISA conference in Memphis in April.
 
DSMc said:
That is not evidence of a nazi ideology. I have used the same arm gesture many times during moments of excitement. It being similar to a nazi salute had nothing to do with it.

Like words, body movements need to be understood in context in order to understand what is meant.
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Context does matter! I agree! Like being in front of a large crowd during the victory day for the far right candidate of a large country.. to make this hand gesture certainly evokes something. And that it’s the richest man in the world…? Are you blind to what this statement is? The rest of the world reads the statement loud and clear.
 
Stumpsprouts said:
Yea the silence says I had something to do this morning other than explain to adults why the nazi ideology must be stopped. I was at a tree protection task force meeting presenting the data I collected for Helene storm damages. I’m working on a paper, highlighting the work I’ve been doing trying to get a better sense of failure profiles, seeing what species and size of trees were more prone to failure. Actually I’ll be presenting at the ISA conference in Memphis in April.
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Was referring to Elon specifically. If his gesture had been misinterpreted by 3/4 of the western world I feel he would have attempted to explain himself. Instead he leaned even further into Nazi ideology by speaking at a neo-Nazi event.

Where's Anonymous when you need them. Would love to see the X logo turned into a swastika across the web so everyone knows what they're supporting when they use it.
 
Stumpsprouts said:
Hating nazis is protecting the common good. They are a dangerous plague to our society. it is NOT in a way equivalent to hating someone for their religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. These are people united with an aim to destroy people because of their identities. A little insane I need to remind people why nazis are bad, but now I know something important about you.

yea the silence says I had something to do this morning other than explain to adults why the nazi ideology must be stopped.
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Brilliant! Thank you!

I'm so tired of being called a Hater for condemning despicable concepts and actions. You know, all that stuff that your teachers, parents, pastors, and historians told you were hateful by nature: Nazism, racism, misogyny, rape, lying, stealing, cheating, and so on.

Yesterday, I went for my latest COVID vaccination. [Yes, while I know many here will hemorrhage cerebrally at the thought, I still believe in vaccines! (My two dead cousins did not believe, if that means anything to the naysayers.)]

The technician handed me a CDC notice regarding COVID, etc. I, jokingly, told him that he was breaking the law by distributing CDC information. He said, "CDC, are they still around?" To which, I answered, "Not for long."

The DOJ, the Defense Dept., the CDC, school departments, state governments, corporations, and many more are being prevented from doing their essential jobs (you know, protecting us) and are instead being urged to route-out, rat-out stump's opponents. If you think that is any different than painting yellow "Juden" Stars of David on homes and businesses in 1940's Germany, you're mistaken. And, oh Man, Mother-F-ers, do I hate that!!!

It's OK to hate hateful people and things. It was once seen as universally commendable to hate Nazis. To now think that Nazi tenets and symbols of any kind are cool, means that you were sleeping during World History class and never woke up. It also means that hundreds of thousands of our/your grandparents died in vain. Nazis suck, OK, and I hate them. Deal with it!
 
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JCB said:
Brilliant! Thank you!

I'm so tired of being called a Hater for condemning despicable concepts and actions. You know, all that stuff that your teachers, parents, pastors, and historians told you were hateful by nature: Nazism, racism, misogyny, rape, lying, stealing, cheating, and so on.

Yesterday, I went for my latest COVID vaccination. [Yes, while I know many here will hemorrhage cerebrally at the thought, I still believe in vaccines! (My two dead cousins did not believe, if that means anything to the naysayers.)]

The technician handed me a CDC notice regarding COVID, etc. I, jokingly, told him that he was breaking the law by distributing CDC information. He said, "CDC, are they still in business?" To which, I answered, "Not for long."

The DOJ, the Defense Dept., the CDC, and many more are being prevented from doing their essential jobs--you know, protecting us--and are instead being urged to route-out, rat-out stump's opponents. And, Man, Mother-F-ers, do I hate that!!!

It's OK to hate hateful people and things. It was once seen as universally commendable to hate Nazis. To now think that Nazi tenets and symbols of any kind are cool, means that you were sleeping during World History class. Nazis suck, OK, and I hate them. Happy now?
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I believe it was Butch over at the Treehouse who used to say- I am only racist towards racists.

And yea, it is ok to have hatred, disdain, loathing, and disgust for things that are evil.
 
Boomslang said:
Was referring to Elon specifically. If his gesture had been misinterpreted by 3/4 of the western world I feel he would have attempted to explain himself. Instead he leaned even further into Nazi ideology by speaking at a neo-Nazi event.

Where's Anonymous when you need them. Would love to see the X logo turned into a swastika across the web so everyone knows what they're supporting when they use it.
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Ah, sorry for my assumption!
 
Stumpsprouts said:
... Hating nazis is protecting the common good. They are a dangerous plague to our society. it is NOT in a way equivalent to hating someone for their religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. These are people united with an aim to destroy people because of their identities. A little insane I need to remind people why nazis are bad, but now I know something important about you...
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Wow! Good thing you have a thorough understanding of how and when to apply hate. So we kill all the nazi because "They are a dangerous plague to our society". That was easy, great, yeah hate works well. Umm... who's next?

Having read the links you posted I heard nothing from Elon claiming to be a nazi. Nothing he said if not taken out of context would be misconstrued as evil. For all I know he might very well be a nazi but until he definitively makes that clear, I'm not going to judge him. So do we kill all those that might be nazi just in case?
 
DSMc said:
Wow! Good thing you have a thorough understanding of how and when to apply hate. So we kill all the nazi because "They are a dangerous plague to our society". That was easy, great, yeah hate works well. Umm... who's next?

Having read the links you posted I heard nothing from Elon claiming to be a nazi. Nothing he said if not taken out of context would be misconstrued as evil. For all I know he might very well be a nazi but until he definitively makes that clear, I'm not going to judge him. So do we kill all those that might be nazi just in case?
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Well, let's see, I seem to remember that our ancestors crossed the oceans to kill Nazis. You apparently think that was a waste of time.
 
DSMc said:
Would you be willing to pull a trigger with that justification?
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When did I say anything about shooting people? I think there are different ways to deal with nazis, and I'd like to think that if we start with less violent methods, we have a better chance at keeping things from getting more violent. I would absolutely feel comfortable removing nazis from positions of power with that justification.
 
DSMc said:
Wow! Good thing you have a thorough understanding of how and when to apply hate. So we kill all the nazi because "They are a dangerous plague to our society". That was easy, great, yeah hate works well. Umm... who's next?
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Do you need him goose stepping across the mall in DC to come to your senses?

Were the Germans of 80 years ago simply misunderstood? Were they just trying to keep people warm.....
 
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