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Bucknut said:
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Biden Administration to Resume Border Wall Construction in Policy Reversal — The Wall Street Journal

To expedite the construction, the administration waives laws that protect air, water and endangered species
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Is it still racist to build walls? And to waive laws protecting air, water, and endangered species to do it? Honestly trying to imagine the hatred some of you would be venting at Trump if he did this, but so far the silence is deafening since your guy’s in charge. Absolute clown world we’re living in.

My, how the turns have tabled. You can only live in lefty fantasy-land for so long. Eventually, you WILL be forced to confront reality. If you want a heavy dose of it catch a flight to El Paso. Or NYC. Or San Fran. Or Chicago. Or Portland.

But seriously, are walls still racist?
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I take offense to having Biden associated with the left. He's a right winger by global standards, and a corporate stooge. The dudes been corrupt for decades, and working this political system for his own financial gain. He may be a lot more polite in public than The Dump, but don't buy into the media's depiction of him as being a leftist.
 
Matias said:
I take offense to having Biden associated with the left. He's a right winger by global standards, and a corporate stooge. The dudes been corrupt for decades, and working this political system for his own financial gain. He may be a lot more polite in public than The Dump, but don't buy into the media's depiction of him as being a leftist.
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If Biden is a right winger, I’m the NFL all-time rushing leader. He’s the hardest left President since FDR probably, by any rational standard.

You take offense to Biden being associated with the left? I take offense to him being associated with America.
 
Bucknut said:
If Biden is a right winger, I’m the NFL all-time rushing leader. He’s the hardest left President since FDR probably, by any rational standard.

You take offense to Biden being associated with the left? I take offense to him being associated with America.
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I also wish he wasn't associated with America, but if you look at smaller countries media, especially those in the global south but also a lot of EU and Scandinavian countries, they are just as appalled at Biden as you, and over many of the same hypocrisies and blatant fouls.

To be clear, I don't think that any one government in any of those countries is unilaterally "getting it right", but a lot of the world is now making much better progress for their own citizens than we are as a whole, and this divisive nonsense is at the heart of it. So much of the back in forth in the side rants that have gone down in this thread are pure culture war talking points that have been spoon fed to the masses via MSN, FOX, CNN, OAN, NBC, ABC, the New York Post, The New York Times, Sinclair Media Group, and countless more. We all want a better world for our children, and cooperation with other people has historically given us that. We live in a world where a relatively small group of people with a lot of resources don't wanna give up their spot on top of the pile, and are paying handsomely to brainwash anyone they can into bickering with their 'neighbors' rather than working with them to build the stability that would allow us to pursue building a more just world.

Trump is being very effective playing his part in this shenanigan. Without him being so extreme, and extremely to the right, people would see more clearly the Democrats for what they are, and they might have had a greater demand for more progressive action, and to elect making moves for real progress. He is Biden's foil, and he got to be president because people were terrified of what it would be like to endure four more years of Trump's reign, with the accelerated trajectory towards fascism.

The democrats secretly love Trump because he galvanized so many to give up their voice, and convince others to do the same. 3rd party votes were lower than in a long time last election, despite the fact that both candidates were perfect examples of some of the worst that the two big parties could offer up.
 
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Bucknut said:
If Biden is a right winger, I’m the NFL all-time rushing leader. He’s the hardest left President since FDR probably, by any rational standard.

You take offense to Biden being associated with the left? I take offense to him being associated with America.
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By the way, congrats on your time in the NFL. Those likely serious head injuries might help explain some of your confusion about politics.
 
treegongfu said:
Your animosity.
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Would you expand your questions? I'm not sure what you're asking about. There is no charge per word here. Its all free.

I'll take a stab at it just in case.

If your questions are about how I react or feel like rump I'll say this.'

Ever since I first heard of him 20 some years ago I've never found even ONE thing that he's done that is endearing to me. He, and his whole MAGA rubbish, is the worst creation in history.
 
Seems you understood and answered . Well sot of answered.

He wasn't endearing to you, seems like a poor justification for wishing him incarcerated.

And the "whole MAGA" being the worst "creation in history" is vague and incredibly myopic."

But I confess I've kind of list interest as you appear to be being deliberately obtuse. And that doesn't bode well for a productive conversation.
 
treegongfu said:
you appear to be being deliberately obtuse.
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How can I be deliberately or accidentally obtuse when I'm guessing at what you're asking? Given the structural constraints of Internet discussions its important to be clear when you ask a question.

I'll try to elaborate on one of your comments.

Incarceration

He shared national security information about US submarine capabilities with a guy from Australia who shared that formerly secure information with more people. There are many others who have shared secure information who are doing time in federal prison. Seems an easy conviction.

How do you settle his indictable offenses?

If my dislike of rump isn't obvious to you after reading my comments in this thread there's no hope that adding anymore is going to enlighten you. What are you seeing in him that I'm missing?
 
He stood against the endless imperial wars of the US State to a greater degree than any other recent US president. And incidentally, in my opinion, that is the primary reason why he is so demonized and is being subjected to politically motivated judicial persecution.
 
treegongfu said:
He stood against the endless imperial wars of the US State to a greater degree than any other recent US president. And incidentally, in my opinion, that is the primary reason why he is so demonized and is being subjected to politically motivated judicial persecution.
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Trump is "demonized" because he engaged in criminal activities before, during, and after his presidency. Donny managed to leave such a massive trail of evidence (paper, audio, and video) in his wake that it is now impossible to turn a blind eye to his many crimes. Nation of laws.? No one is above the law, and all?

I also can't help but point out that Trump (the man you claim was against our endless imperial wars) had 4 years to get us out of Afghanistan, but like his wall, middle class tax cuts, and being the "greatest jobs president in history', it was all talk and no action...
 
That's not how I recall it. He was largely celebrated as a great American business man and celebrity until he won the presidency. Upon winning, and his, at least, rhetorical disruption to the corrupt corporate and beurocratic war/media and neo-marxist agenda, it changed and the attacks began.

It began with the Mrs. Clinton campaign fabrication of Russia collusion and "the largest inauguration" crowd, he lied nonsense.

It continued with the impeachment nonsense and then went into abeyance until he looked to challenge for president again. At this point you have a partisan attack through the legal system.

That is a fairly accurate description of how I see it.
 
treegongfu said:
That's not how I recall it. He was largely celebrated as a great American business man and celebrity until he won the presidency. Upon winning, and his, at least, rhetorical disruption to the corrupt corporate and beurocratic war/media and neo-marxist agenda, it changed and the attacks began.

It began with the Mrs. Clinton campaign fabrication of Russia collusion and "the largest inauguration" crowd, he lied nonsense.

It continued with the impeachment nonsense and then went into abeyance until he looked to challenge for president again. At this point you have a partisan attack through the legal system.

That is a fairly accurate description of how I see it.
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Those are some very strongly colored glasses you've gotten used to wearing, but if you step back and try to look at the world objectively, a tenuous proposition at best for most, you may start to see things for what they are. Trump was mostly just celebrated by idiots, or people who profit from idiots. Just because someone is on TV doesn't mean they're 'largely celebrated', it regularly means that they are enough of a clown that they hold people's attention. He's been making loads of enemies for a long time, and simple polling shows that while plenty of folks liked his flavor of shittiness, more preferred a different flavor. Just show me one objective source that shows otherwise. Fair warning: this is a bit of a trick question, because I am doubtful of your ability to identify objectitivity.
 
You are being funny.

Seems like not worth arguing about the exactitude of "largely celebrated".

How are you able to judge the hew of my glasses without questioning your own shade.

I liked your previous post until you went to Trump and then your glasses got colored. Maybe.
 
treegongfu said:
You are being funny.

Seems like not worth arguing about the exactitude of "largely celebrated".

How are you able to judge the hew of my glasses without questioning your own shade.

I liked your previous post until you went to Trump and then your glasses got colored. Maybe.
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I don't see any objective information being used to back up your point. I am willing to make the effort to discuss this further, but you don't see a point? That's what this whole thread is about. You were with me until I wasn't lauding Trump as a hero, so am I to understand that we agree about Biden? Open your eyes to both sides of this conversation brother, because they're both lying to you. Objectivity is difficult to achieve, but if we can't find some, then this continues to be all about opinions. If you believe that any data gathered about Trump that indicates things you don't want to hear is fabricated by some leftist conspiracy, while any data that points to him being a success is clearly the most well collected data, then you may have a more significant bias than you realize.

Nobody can have their eyes opened for them, you can only open your own, but the truth only comes when you stop trying to find things that confirm your opinions and beliefs, and start trying to disprove them to yourself. Only after you have tried to disprove your initial thoughts on something will you start to see it more objectively; this is fundamental to the scientific method.

So let's see it. Where's your notion of 'largely celebrated' coming from?
 
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