We are swimming in money, that's not the problem. Saying that the Dem do it less bad than the Rep not a win for anyone. Why settle for that? Don't you think we can do better?
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We are swimming in money, that's not the problem. Saying that the Dem do it less bad than the Rep not a win for anyone. Why settle for that? Don't you think we can do better?
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Do you think dem and rep exist anymore? There is trump and everyone else. My guess is what we got right now will not be changed by voting or political parties. It'll be a wild ride though.
Matias
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Norway made the smartest move with their oil.
Stumpsprouts
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We can do better. The richest man in the world, hopped up on ketamine cheering on the neo nazi party? And the 22 year old manbabies that make up his ace team of experts? Give me a fkin break. That crew probably doesn’t even know how to make a box of Annie’s noodles
No. A small minority are swimming in money while they basically get a free ride subsidized by the rest of us.
Obviously we can do a whole lot better, but the fact the Dems are “less bad” is actually a win, albeit a small one.
Matias
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less bad is a start. a lame start, but I'll concede that it is something. I am getting pretty sick of less bad though. We need real change in the right direction, and I worry that the existing system is too big for it's own good. Maybe this admin will finally destroy enough of it that we have no choice but to deal with the growing pains and start making those bigger changes. I am not looking forward to that idea, as I wanted to be better prepared in my personal infrastructure, but my neighbors have all told me that they have my back if it goes to shit.
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I’m not sure if the system is too big for its’ own good or not. I think the biggest issues are wealth disparity and corporate welfare.
Serf Life
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Ya but their meme game is strong…bro
Matias
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I don't mean disbanding the US into separate independent nations, but I think that there is too much process for those major issues to be dealt with swiftly. I guess it's not too big, but the mass of it carries soooo much inertia. It is so deeply entrenched in bullshit that a lot of dismantling will be required to rebuild it in a streamlined way that makes it easier to prevent the corruption that has taken control of said system. Fixing it piece by piece will probably never happen because of the severity of the corruption working against that. Just look at the last 60 years of history.
I think the main problem with the American system is the same problem with many systems around the world. It's mostly an "ol' boys' club."
Old, rich, white, male.
Typically people who meet those criteria, or at least 3 of them, have much more influence and hold more critical positions.
The former head of the US Coast Guard, Adm. Linda Fagan, a highly decorated and trailblazing leader was dismissed by Trump, the first commandant in history to be fired. Trump's reasoning? She was a DEI hire. Despite her credentials clearly showing her merit. The feeling for me is he's saying there can't be a woman in a position of power.
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Second, the two party system down there doesn't work. No system is perfect, but there is no way only two parties can put forth platforms that appeal to every voter. I myself realize there are ideals from both sides that I agree with and ones I disagree with. Usually it comes down to which one do I disagree with more, rather than which one do I agree with more. Is that wrong? Maybe, but I feel like NOT having things I don't like is more important than having things I like.
For example, up here in Canada, out of the 10 provinces there are 6 ruling parties. At the provincial level there are several legitimate parties that can form government. Even at the federal level there are usually 5 parties that form government. Yes, there are 2 primary parties that always win, but if they don't get a majority they're forced to work with the smaller parties to get anything done. So there's representation from a more diverse segment of the population. Again, far from perfect, but slightly better than "bad" vs "less bad".
Third, there should be some sort of recall mechanism within government. I know that is voting, but I'm talking between votes. Four years is a long time and some governments can go really off the rails (Trudeau up here for example). I don't know what that mechanism is or how it would be triggered. I just feel there should be something.
Old, rich, white, male.
Typically people who meet those criteria, or at least 3 of them, have much more influence and hold more critical positions.
The former head of the US Coast Guard, Adm. Linda Fagan, a highly decorated and trailblazing leader was dismissed by Trump, the first commandant in history to be fired. Trump's reasoning? She was a DEI hire. Despite her credentials clearly showing her merit. The feeling for me is he's saying there can't be a woman in a position of power.
Linda L. Fagan - Wikipedia
Second, the two party system down there doesn't work. No system is perfect, but there is no way only two parties can put forth platforms that appeal to every voter. I myself realize there are ideals from both sides that I agree with and ones I disagree with. Usually it comes down to which one do I disagree with more, rather than which one do I agree with more. Is that wrong? Maybe, but I feel like NOT having things I don't like is more important than having things I like.
For example, up here in Canada, out of the 10 provinces there are 6 ruling parties. At the provincial level there are several legitimate parties that can form government. Even at the federal level there are usually 5 parties that form government. Yes, there are 2 primary parties that always win, but if they don't get a majority they're forced to work with the smaller parties to get anything done. So there's representation from a more diverse segment of the population. Again, far from perfect, but slightly better than "bad" vs "less bad".
Third, there should be some sort of recall mechanism within government. I know that is voting, but I'm talking between votes. Four years is a long time and some governments can go really off the rails (Trudeau up here for example). I don't know what that mechanism is or how it would be triggered. I just feel there should be something.
Matias
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I think fractional representation like you guys and others have is a big part of making things work better for more people in any given round. It does also strike me as odd, now that you mention it, that we have a recall system for lower levels of leaders, but not one for the president.I think the main problem with the American system is the same problem with many systems around the world. It's mostly an "ol' boys' club."
Old, rich, white, male.
Typically people who meet those criteria, or at least 3 of them, have much more influence and hold more critical positions.
The former head of the US Coast Guard, Adm. Linda Fagan, a highly decorated and trailblazing leader was dismissed by Trump, the first commandant in history to be fired. Trump's reasoning? She was a DEI hire. Despite her credentials clearly showing her merit. The feeling for me is he's saying there can't be a woman in a position of power.
Linda L. Fagan - Wikipedia
Second, the two party system down there doesn't work. No system is perfect, but there is no way only two parties can put forth platforms that appeal to every voter. I myself realize there are ideals from both sides that I agree with and ones I disagree with. Usually it comes down to which one do I disagree with more, rather than which one do I agree with more. Is that wrong? Maybe, but I feel like NOT having things I don't like is more important than having things I like.
For example, up here in Canada, out of the 10 provinces there are 6 ruling parties. At the provincial level there are several legitimate parties that can form government. Even at the federal level there are usually 5 parties that form government. Yes, there are 2 primary parties that always win, but if they don't get a majority they're forced to work with the smaller parties to get anything done. So there's representation from a more diverse segment of the population. Again, far from perfect, but slightly better than "bad" vs "less bad".
Third, there should be some sort of recall mechanism within government. I know that is voting, but I'm talking between votes. Four years is a long time and some governments can go really off the rails (Trudeau up here for example). I don't know what that mechanism is or how it would be triggered. I just feel there should be something.
Serf Life
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I like the idea of accountability as to what an entity promises and if that is realized in X time. Would mean they have to be much more specific in a plan before and early after election, and people keeping track of results vs beliefs and speeches.
Matias
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Oh man, I would love it if they had to provide accurate bids with timetables for their plans. Automatic dismissal after the second missed deadline!
Stumpsprouts
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Not within the same government, maybe. From the Declaration of Independence-
“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.”
Swipe left, swipe right? New tinder match?
evo
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That’s only because the instructions on the box are not efficient
evo
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Agreed, sick of the downward decline of ‘less bad’ this complacency is a large part of how we got here today. The less bad slid so far they shot everyone in the foot.
Matias
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Dead on.
Matias
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They get more and more disengaged as it becomes increasingly clear that none of the politicians they have heard of give even a squirt of shit about them. The ones that do get shut down by the DNC and RNC, and with the way the game is set up atm, if they don't let you play, you aren't in the game.
Many people rave about democracy, very few people practice it.
