Frontier encroachment

Huuuuh. Little window for work every three weeks. I reckon this pot needs stirring once a year or it'll burn. It's like a couple million forest trees to one urban tree being killed. Arborists lack credibility by ignoring the issue imo.
 
Or a reclamationist, that's where the money might be. We should have prominent climbing and wildland preserve trust land. Maybe? With meeting facilities? Have a Grand Poo-Bah? I'd probably still hop the fence and swipe a deer just for fun.

OK OK I'm going to work. Wrong wind what else is new?
 
Just had a thought putting on my boots. There is lots of provincial forest around here being given to businesses with a plan. A climbing preserve is a plan. Hard to deny the tree guys. Should try and get one with a waterfall. If you want to go to church you should go to the cathedral.
 
I think it would be an excellent educational experience (+ an eye-opening one) for arborists to spend some time working with production loggers. It sure was for me! Riding on the hood of a Clark Ranger with my feet braced against the front blade, muddy water filled wheel ruts almost up to the belly pan, an insane work environment. Go go go. Being paid on volume, which translated into peanuts for the effort expended. Deep snow and cold. Arrive to work site in the dark, and leave (dead tired) when it was getting dark.
(Another character developing experience was working several college summers on a dairy farm...you've grown up thinking you know what hard work is.....and then you suddenly find out what it really is!!! Literally counted down the days till my term at "Holstein Alcatraz" came to an end. That farmer whom I developed tremendous respect for, dropped dead in his apple orchard in his early to mid 50's. Best boss I ever had; he made a huge impact on me.)
 
It could be worse than I thought. Arborists appear to be endorsing the wholesale destruction of wildland (just to get your attention). But really check it out.

No offical comment on permanent (humanized) forest loss.

Don't discuss the issue ever even on social media.

I'm sure we all secretly love forests and need more. Why not come out of the closet?
 
I'll put 2014 down as one sarcastic and two unrelated responses. That's progress.

No forests don't pay our bills, they have a more important value. It's where trees come from.

2013 was more, development creates arborist employment. Is the passion for trees or money?

2012 I got a "it's not our bag".

It's one of these win/win things. I'm confused but I don't regret cancelling my ISA membership over this issue.
 
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I think it is many individuals in the industry who have a passion for the trees and the work. The industry though is just that. It exists to profit, which usually means insurance companies profiting from multiple angles, financing charges for equipment, and chemical companies for PHC and it's veritable toxic brew. The passion is there in the ISA but the industry leads the direction of the ISA and TCIA more than their members ever will. Reminiscent of our "democracy"?
 
That's about what I was thinking. How about the forest preservation angle being good PR to run a bluff for better profits. For us not our parasites. It could help to elevate us from yard tards to respected pros.
 
We'll need some definitions to figure out what's being discussed here.

What is a yard tard exactly?

What is a respected pro?

Toxic Ryan? What is that? When does it become toxic?

Forest preservation as a bluff for making more money? I'm confused, explain please?
 
A yard tard is the consumers view of a highly trained and experienced tradesman doing some of the most dangerous, technical and physically demanding work.

A respected pro from our perspective would be a plumber.

Forest preservation for improving our bottom line? This will take more than a one line reply.

Some of us will hug an old beat up street tree. Meanwhile on the edge of town three bulldozers are plowing down 20 large trees and millions of smaller ground cover per minute. There's no border at the edge of town where reality changes. It's one big picture, one planet. Doesn't that guy on the side of the road licking that dusty tree look silly.

Urban trees are locally and globally benificial but compared to a forest they are mere pet trees. The additional components that come with a mature forest exist only in the deep dark woods. I shouldn't need to explain this.

How acknowledging this crisis would improve our image would be to turn us into serious tree saviors. Could almost be held in religious appreciation(mo better tips or donations). Every human likes trees as much as kittens. Somewhere deep inside we have a primative need for trees. It seems like common sense to me to at least discuss it. I'm not saying chain yourself to a logging truck. Funding climbing preserves for example wouldn't save many trees but it's symbolic(bluff). I really don't want to go to a gathering of trees guys being offered in a hotel banquet hall or even a city park if there was an option to celebrate trees in the deep dark woods. The mood would be more relaxed and fun.

A good salesperson can bluff the public their tree has immense value and is worth investing $20,000 in maintenance work. Where did that $20,000 come from? At what expense to the enviroment was that surplus money raised? How many commutes, how many pieces of future garbage were shipped from China? How many trees were bulldozed into burn piles to preserve that backyard beauty?

Even the tree buzz spell check even says I misspelled primative and enviroment. It's early, my eye sight's going and I just got home form a road trip but I can't see it.
 
Hmmm.... The only references to yardtards is from within the industry. Catchy as it might be it's not the sort of moniker we need to be using for ourselves. The public perceives us by our actions, more we act as professionals the more we will be accepted as such. Every profession suffers its own insults and complains that there are unethical operators and incompetents within their midst. Mike Holmes has built a business and a tv show on just such a reality.

Plumbers, yeah, no shysters there....

You're saying to get involved with something like this? http://www.borealcanada.ca/index-e.php

A "good salesman" doesn't bluff, they show the value of the investment in tree care. I guess that is something lacking in our business, "good salesmen".

As arborists we focus on the urban forest, the pet that it is. We can have an impact on the quality of life in that ecosystem. And it is an ecosystem like any other that has species that modify it to their own needs. However, that is the place we've staked our claim to. This is in reality working on the forest, its just the remnants of what once was. It's all part of the larger continuum.

Btw, its primitive and environment.
 
Thanks for the spelling help. I need it apparently.

Your main line has always been be a businessman first and a treeman second. Although I can't argue with that I can question it. If we were viewed as treepeople first our business would take care of itself with less effort.

When our crew has busted it's balls for breakeven money, exceeded quality expectation and the customer is asked to pay they treat you like you just stole there money. That's when I feel like a yardtard. Maybe uniform shirts and name tags would help.
 
To clarify my mainline. In order to best function as a tree care business I need to be able to run a business effectively. That doesn't come at the expense of caring for trees but affords me the luxury to do so and get paid for it.
 
Forgive me for not understanding your position B.
Trees are valuable be they urban or rural. You want to protect
more forest? Plant more trees.

Humans are going to use land however they can to profit. Finding new
ways to make $$ from forest lands is a good question.
Hiking, biking or tree climbing all have merit but can you make cash
offering those things in small town Sask? Probably not.

Make money tree killing, make money planting trees.
If I was better at business management I would do more of both.
 

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