Flint locker retrieval

[seedy j]

So what is the benefit over one ring/ biner girth- hitched on the eye of a butterfly?

Do you mean where the ring/biner/quickie is attached to the rope?

I like to plan routes where I can descend from my tie-in downwards. I find in some trees it's more efficient for me to redirect through branch unions and not plan to return from where I came from. By the time I'm on the ground I'll have taken multiple redirects. If my canopy anchor involves tying hardward to my line, as I pull it down the angle becomes tighter and tighter and can be impossible to pull my working end through.

I have used a single ring, knot blocked. It works okay. I was hoping to come up with a mid-line attachable alternative. I made a flint locker type system with a quickie, sling and ring. I can take it apart and use the parts for other applications, so I feel like it's fairly cost effective.

 

[southsoundtree]

I don't get it.

Why not girth hitch the ring onto an (adjustable size to the situation) alpine butterfly, then thread the end through the ring?

Do you think the FL helps significantly over this idea, using one ring/ screwlink/ connector?

 

[Tuebor]

Do you think the FL helps significantly over this idea, using one ring/ screwlink/ connector?

With the Flint Locker, as you retrieve your line, the friction saver can float somewhere between the blocking knot and the TIP. I assume it would be wherever the resistance is least, depending on where the first redirect point is in relation to the TIP. With your method, or the one in the video, the friction saver is forced to come down with the knot, increasing the bend radius and friction on both the working end ring and on the redirect limb, until the working end is free from the first redirect (or any other limbs it might hang on during retrieval).

 

[Matias]

Yea, I use an ISC wizard with a rated gate, and clip an alpine butterfly. I agree that it seems to accomplish the same effect. I still don't see how any of these are beneficial for redirected retrieval. How is any of this better than the rope just hanging through branch unions at modest angles? The issue for me thus far is that the bend in the rope gets sharper as the ring/biner/FL gets pulled away from where it was anchored. So far, if I do re-anchor like that, I will be returning to undo that before descent. I have given up up redirected retrieval, as it seems to take more effort to pull the rope out of that mess than to climb back to the TIP and descend.

 

[Tuebor]

Retrieving Flint Locker on left, captured friction saver on right:

 

[seedy j]

And...

Installation at 1:08, removal at 20:03

I prefer a "floating" anchor. but when it get stuck on a branch during retrieval, or jams in the tie-in, it's pretty frustrating

 

[Matias]

That makes it much clearer, having not seen it in action like that

 

[flyingmosstreen]

This is what I use as my canopy anchor and it’s great! Tuebor nailed the drawing

 

[Matias]

This is what I use as my canopy anchor and it’s great! Tuebor nailed the drawing

Are you just using stuff you already had? That seems like the most expensive way to make a soft 8...

 

[flyingmosstreen]

Are you just using stuff you already had? That seems like the most expensive way to make a soft 8...

I already had one quickie and the dog bone from a rock climbing quick draw…

Which is what the guy in the video is using minus one quickie/ sub screw link.

Also works as a cinch anchor on a spar.

 

[Matias]

I already had one quickie and the dog bone from a rock climbing quick draw…

Which is what the guy in the video is using minus one quickie/ sub screw link.

Also works as a cinch anchor on a spar.

Don't get me wrong, it's got a lot going for it. I have rings and slings and no quickies, so I'll be trying to use what I have laying around.

 

[Muggs]

Couple rings and a chunk of hitch cord makes a nice cheap soft 8

 

[Matias]

Couple rings and a chunk of hitch cord makes a nice cheap soft 8

I have a tiny piece of 10mm beeline that needed a purpose. Thanks bud

 

[kludge]

Also, another difference between canopy anchors with a quickie on a butterfly or something is that you can simply pull your rope back through the whole soft 8, if you use a knot block unattached to the soft 8. So not only does the soft 8 float, but you can pull the rope back through the redirects and the soft 8. Can be stiff but does pull out even with some fairly sharp redirects close to the soft 8. But most of the time it pulls out with little friction.

 

[southsoundtree]

How does this compare to a Texas Tug?

 

[kludge]

@southsoundtree, If you do not attach the soft eight to the line but simply feed the line through and knot block it, a soft 8 canopy anchor is more like pulling a base anchor out of the tree than a Texas Tug. (But honestly the Texas Tug is not something I have personal experience with.)

 

[Muggs]

Yeah, most of the time it's just like pulling a basal anchored line out.

 

[Matias]

Omg guys, I am always stoked to work a tree that requires some redirects- those are the best days- but now I am giddy as fuck to try this out.

 

[Mowerr]

While it might be frowned upon...
Anyone try a ring open or quickie connected to a pinto on the retrieval side?
Or shackle pulley? Isc quick link if they can fix that thing ....

 

[snunyabizness]

Flint locker allows for retrieval after redirects, so you don't need to follow the path of the back end of your rope. Works best if it can float freely to minimize friction on retrieval, unlike the picture from the Wesspur catalogue above, now that I think about it
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