falling challenge big tulip through deck

Daniel said:
do you actually read or just look at the pictures????

Bucket was maxed out at 75'...

The proof is more about you than the physics here!
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Man that little ranch house must have some tall fucking ceilings buddy. All one has to do is use the gutter height as a reference point, and extrapolate from there. Bucket maxed out at 75 ft, and your cutting at shoulder height. Topped at 75-80 ft? Fucking please.

Just more proof that your words cannot be taken as truth.

There is a beautiful story about a boy crying wolf in the woods that you really should read. Seems pertinent here.
 
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if you look closely you can see the elevator is straight up behind the holly...

I would have taken the top in 2 if I had another couple feet.... bucket was maxed out...

keep talking crap though.. its highly entertaining!
 
You are selling yourself as an educator and you produce videos for instructional purposes, so you owe it to your viewers to be extremely honest and accurate with your words Daniel. You aren't teaching people how to calculate the square footage for a deck job for fuck sakes. Your discussing tree work, which we all know can get fairly dangerous. Peoples live can literally be on the line here. No time for truth-stretching or story-changing buddy

In the spirit of keeping it real and honest I challenge you to go out and measure the height of the ridge at the gable end. Please video it for verification if you would, and get back to us. That ridge will be between 15-20 ft max. Well give you the benefit and call it 20 ft for our purposes. We also need to account for the fact that the stump is slightly uphill from the house. Well give you that one also. Extrapolate from there and that puts the first big crotch at about 30 ft. We can also see that the butt of the "30 ft top" is level with the large crotch when the brush touches the ground. 30 ft to the first crotch it is then. We'll now add another generous 25 ft for the spar between your cut and the large crotch below. Add it up and you get 55 ft tops. Where the fuck did the other 20-25 feet go, bro?

I realize most the folks around here think I'm fucking crazy and they'd be right, but just as I'm gonna call you out on your occasional hackery, I gonna demand that you speak truth here. Call it my personal mission.....
 
rico said:
You are selling yourself as an educator and you produce videos for instructional purposes, so you owe it to your viewers to be extremely honest and accurate with your words Daniel. You aren't teaching people how to calculate the square footage for a deck job for fuck sakes. Your discussing tree work, which we all know can get fairly dangerous. Peoples live can literally be on the line here. No time for truth-stretching or story-changing buddy

In the spirit of keeping it real and honest I challenge you to go out and measure the height of the ridge at the gable end. Please video it for verification if you would, and get back to us. That ridge will be between 15-20 ft max. Well give you the benefit and call it 20 ft for our purposes. We also need to account for the fact that the stump is slightly uphill from the house. Well give you that one also. Extrapolate from there and that puts the first big crotch at about 30 ft. We can also see that the butt of the "30 ft top" is level with the large crotch when the brush touches the ground. 30 ft to the first crotch it is then. We'll now add another generous 25 ft for the spar between your cut and the large crotch below. Add it up and you get 55 ft tops. Where the fuck did the other 20-25 feet go, bro?

I realize most the folks around here think I'm fucking crazy and they'd be right, but just as I'm gonna call you out on your occasional hackery, I gonna demand that you speak truth here. Call it my personal mission.....
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Your my kind of crazy, much rather rampage with you than most others. Looking at the angle of the boom he was probably nosed off the edge of the driveway to reach around the side of the house, but I wasn’t there.. I’d imagine that unless you can get the truck right under the tree you can’t accurately estimate the height by the boom. Well not without some trig, but that shit is over my head.
All I see is some boring sub par corners being cut to cover up inadequate size issues. If Daniel wanted to climb he could, I know 40+ year industry vets in their late 60’s to early 70 that still climb. Granted they get pretty whiny when it’s sprinkling or frozen or snowy. He could get foot plates, learn srt. Looks like cake if he tossed a climbing line into that crotch, took a few steps up and blasted the tops above the crotch.
I get cutting corners where one can, but that is the only lesson I’ve learned from these videos. Not sure that’s quite the take home point. Most of it seems like bragging, and smoking related anal issues
 
evo said:
Your my kind of crazy, much rather rampage with you than most others. Looking at the angle of the boom he was probably nosed off the edge of the driveway to reach around the side of the house, but I wasn’t there.. I’d imagine that unless you can get the truck right under the tree you can’t accurately estimate the height by the boom. Well not without some trig, but that shit is over my head.
All I see is some boring sub par corners being cut to cover up inadequate size issues. If Daniel wanted to climb he could, I know 40+ year industry vets in their late 60’s to early 70 that still climb. Granted they get pretty whiny when it’s sprinkling or frozen or snowy. He could get foot plates, learn srt. Looks like cake if he tossed a climbing line into that crotch, took a few steps up and blasted the tops above the crotch.
I get cutting corners where one can, but that is the only lesson I’ve learned from these videos. Not sure that’s quite the take home point. Most of it seems like bragging, and smoking related anal issues
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You a funny mofo Evo!

Daniel says his boom was "straight up". All we have to do is look at the vid. That look straight up to you?

Topped at 40 ft or 10,000 ft. Who fucking cares.
What gets me is the dishonesty about such trifling matters.
 
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LOL,
these guys are ridiculous..
Check your petty measurements and ugly attitudes...
Back on topic.. what counts here is not is the tree was uphill from the driveway..
The tree was big (enough) and the top was big (enough) and there was no appreciable push back...
Pull your head out of your ass Rico...
 
I appreciate some folks taking the time to read my posts. This was the first time I tried to dig up a real answer to compare to many practical observed piece drops. I found it an enlightening exercise to dust off my brain beyond intuitive in-the-tree activities. Here's one - a chunk of pine had a previously pruned branch stub diagonally dowelling together a snap cut, of course adjacent to a (lower voltage) power line, with people watching, of course nervously, and of course with crappy body positioning stability. About 10 rings of growth hiding the dowel. Not a finest moment. Just a chunk that bounced the line, no teardown. At the time I couldn't understand why it was so hard to snap. So I'm aware of practicalities. I was just providing the base case that can be worked outward from when thinking about the problem. Doing math is not the norm for me these days. And yes I scored good in one of those national contests too way back when. Dint hurt my brain nun to much er fect me.

Can someone take up the challenge and prove out the "cut a spar chunk 1/5 (?) of the spar length and it will always land flat" that has been posted in the past on the forum? Don't know if I recalled the rule correctly. Does anyone have that engineering CAD software that does full 3d body analysis and motion simulations? Draw a picture and click go. Easy peasy. Sorry if that's too much of a derail, but it seems related, almost the same situation just continuing after the release.

I'll bet nobody cuts 60 degree notches. I don't. I cut notches to get the top past me and freed asap and air resistance seems very dominant to me. Very different than spar logs. I just couldn't find a brushy tree top pre-calculated online. The spar chunk was there for the finding.

Best wishes to all.
 
Daniel said:
LOL,
these guys are ridiculous..
Check your petty measurements and ugly attitudes...
Back on topic.. what counts here is not is the tree was uphill from the driveway..
The tree was big (enough) and the top was big (enough) and there was no appreciable push back...
Pull your head out of your ass Rico...
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Here we go again. The inevitable changing story.

Your earlier words concerning pushback on this top -"because there was None".
You current story concerning pushback on this top- "no appreciable pushback".
Was it NOT moving, or was it moving a little? Get ur story straight Daniel. It matters

I'm very confident that my # concerning the height of this spar is pretty spot on. You telling me that the top was 30 ft tall just help verify my findings. Thanks bro!
Does it really matter at what height you topped this tree? Hell no.
Does it matter that you are consistently full of horse pucky? Me think so.

By the way, were still waiting on that measurement to show how far the tree in your OP ACTUALLY is from the decks edge. My inquiring mind, which is buried up my own ass, really wants to know.
 
When you showed that in the tall west coast conifers there is a very effective method of using the topping oscillation to help throw a top or early separation during the push back to keep from throwing a top, I was happy to have learned something through such a clear demonstration.

While I enjoy learning new things and thinking about such details, in this case, its more of a curiosity as your methods have near zero practical application in my world, due to differences in our methods (ropes and pulling with equipment vs wedges and natural lean), equipment (bucket vs climbing), and trees' structure (tall ass forrest grown conifers vs eastern hardwoods in suburban settings)... I've made my point repeatedly and clearly enough so that anyone taking the time to read this thread should understand...

While your antagonistic approach does serve to draw out my explanations in a way that helps others learn, your input is so rude, disrespectful and abrasive, I find it somewhat embarrassing to even engage in such a conversation..

Bottom line is that if I end up topping this tulip, I'll do it using the methods that have worked for me in the past, and without any concern for push back or topping oscillation...
 
Daniel said:
When you showed that in the tall west coast conifers there is a very effective method of using the topping oscillation to help throw a top or early separation during the push back to keep from throwing a top, I was happy to have learned something through such a clear demonstration.

While I enjoy learning new things and thinking about such details, in this case, its more of a curiosity as your methods have near zero practical application in my world, due to differences in our methods (ropes and pulling with equipment vs wedges and natural lean), equipment (bucket vs climbing), and trees' structure (tall ass forrest grown conifers vs eastern hardwoods in suburban settings)... I've made my point repeatedly and clearly enough so that anyone taking the time to read this thread should understand...

While your antagonistic approach does serve to draw out my explanations in a way that helps others learn, your input is so rude, disrespectful and abrasive, I find it somewhat embarrassing to even engage in such a conversation..

Bottom line is that if I end up topping this tulip, I'll do it using the methods that have worked for me in the past, and without any concern for push back or topping oscillation...
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Just so were clear here, there was a tagline on the top in the first vid I posted, and why I let my groundie know that we had it. Just saying.....

Despite what you think you might know about how we operate out here, we really do use equipment to pull trees over in the wild west Daniel. Pre-tension with the skidder, pound a few wedges on this 130-140 ft back leaning spar, jump on the skidder, and yard her over. Fuck your little pickup buddy.


As far as Zero application in your world. Nonsense. I know this because I removed 14-15 tree for some nice folks outside Pittsburg (which I believe is in Penn.) a few years back. Like every other tree on earth, these trees all displayed pushback/forward push to some degree. Seen it with my own eyes buddy. So, unless you operate in some Tree Anomaly, I call bullshit on your never ending bullshit!
 
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Wait, @rico are you telling me that your real-life skidder is about 5-10 full sized skid-steers put together? No kidding?


Do you mean you've pulled trees before, with equipment?
Wait, away from the lean, not just using wedges and natural leans?
Trees grow toward the clearing created by a house, in the redwoods, too?
I'm so confused.
 
southsoundtree said:
Wait, @rico are you telling me that your real-life skidder is about 5-10 full sized skid-steers put together? No kidding?


Do you mean you've pulled trees before, with equipment?
Wait, away from the lean, not just using wedges and natural leans?
Trees grow toward the clearing created by a house, in the redwoods, too?
I'm so confused.
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I feel ya' SouthSound. I wouldn't have believed it if I had not seen it with my own. The world really is a wondrous place, ain't it?
 
Daniel said:
NO i said elevator was straight up... brain damage????
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Well there it is there. Case closed. You topped that mofo at 80 ft. Fucking please?

For the record, referring to someone such as myself as "brain damaged" is no longer acceptable in polite society. "Special" is acceptable though! We wouldn't want you to get in trouble with the PC Popo Bro.
 
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