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rico said:
Let’s first define pushback as the backward motion that happens as your top begins to hinge.

Go take a top out of a tall conifer with a serious head lean on it. Go take a top out of a tall conifer that has a loaded up pull line in it. You know what’s gonna happen? Your gonna take a serious fucking ride! Why? Because what is pulled forward must begin moving backwards as the top begins hinging. The further it’s pulled forward, the more it gonna pushback.

I realize most of my education and scars were obtained while working in the woods or rolling around on a bar room floor, but I believe this is what some are referring to as “Physics”?
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Nice work Mike, and thanks for sharing. Big or small, blowing a top is the single best moment in this line of work. Embrace the ride!
 
rico said:
Nice work Mike, and thanks for sharing. Big or small, blowing a top is the single best moment in this line of work. Embrace the ride!
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I love those rides. The biggest conifers I get to climb in my area are 100 foot or so spruces and they don't give quite the ride that the western trees do, but one time I had to get a 45 foot or so cherry down the grew at about a 45° from the base then curved to about level half way up. It was pretty early in my career. All I could think of was to go about halfway up and blow the top out so it fit in the space I had. That was a hell of a ride. I was scared as hell, but it had to be done.
 
rico said:
Of coarse all bets are off if one was silly enough to hook their tag line up to a truck, rip the slack out of it, and drive off into the sunset going 40 fucking miles per hour. Who the heck would do something like that though?
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The guy who launched the climber off a spar, who landed on the roof of the house, locally, a couple a years ago.
 
southsoundtree said:
The guy who launched the climber off a spar, who landed on the roof of the house, locally, a couple a years ago.
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Sounds like one of those"when tree work goes bad" vids, where despite watching someone get hurt you can't help but laugh.

Tyler up there working with you? If so tell him I have a HH2 for him...
 
RBJtree said:
I love those rides. The biggest conifers I get to climb in my area are 100 foot or so spruces and they don't give quite the ride that the western trees do, but one time I had to get a 45 foot or so cherry down the grew at about a 45° from the base then curved to about level half way up. It was pretty early in my career. All I could think of was to go about halfway up and blow the top out so it fit in the space I had. That was a hell of a ride. I was scared as hell, but it had to be done.
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Those hard leaners do send you for a ride. About 2 years ago I topped a 205-210 ft Fir that had well over 40 ft of head lean. Took a top at 130 ft and knew I was gonna take ride, but Jeezus I wasn't fully prepared for what was coming.
 
rico said:
Those hard leaners do send you for a ride. About 2 years ago I topped a 205-210 ft Fir that had well over 40 ft of head lean. Took a top at 130 ft and knew I was gonna take ride, but Jeezus I wasn't fully prepared for what was coming.
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On my little baby tree, it wasn't so much the 6 feet or so of sway, but the violent speed at which it occurred. I gotta get out west one of these years. Maybe I can volunteer for a couple days somewhere and climb some of the tall ones.
 
rico said:
Sounds like one of those"when tree work goes bad" vids, where despite watching someone get hurt you can't help but laugh.

Tyler up there working with you? If so tell him I have a HH2 for him...
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What that has my name on it! Want to get one for my kit rumor has it they might go out of production
 
rico said:
Sounds like one of those"when tree work goes bad" vids, where despite watching someone get hurt you can't help but laugh.

Tyler up there working with yIMG_20190307_111035853_HDR.webpou? If so tell him I have a HH2 for him...
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He said he wants more spurless climbing, on damp snow-damaged birch, with a Hydra's head.

8 Doug-fir cleanings yesterday had too much traction, even with epiphytes.
 
Nice. You boys have some fun, and be safe. Tell him to get in touch if he still needs a HH. Got one here with his name on it.
 
rico said:
What happens when a top first starts going? That’s right, pushback.

What happen if you get the top to disengage very early, as you suggest? That’s right, it disengages as the spar is moving backwards.

Not a good idea if “throwing a top” is your intent.

So while you have been busy with all your hypothesizing, I simply posted some video evidence poking some serious holes in your theory.

Of coarse all bets are off if one was silly enough to hook their tag line up to a truck, rip the slack out of it, and drive off into the sunset going 40 fucking miles per hour. Who the heck would do something like that though?
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You've been hit in the head one too many times ... working hypotheses.... best explanation for your stupidity...

You and I live in different worlds... the trees I work on DO NOT push back the way your tall trees do.
Push back and spring return are not going to be much of an issue on trunks that are relatively inflexible and short.... When loading a tree with a pull line the entire trunk is pulled forward... while there may be some push back, as the top starts to move it's not going to be much. And often any push back is not going to take the stick back beyond the original pre-pull position.

You're all hung up on push back... it's almost irrelevant compared to creating forward momentum in the kind of trees that the majority of people reading this thread will ever work on...

You all proud of yourself for throwing a top 8-10' from a height of 135'

I threw that pine top 22' from a height of 40'....

The kind of person that would do that is one with the balls and know how to make it work. That's what it took to get the job done... obviously outside you box... keep talking crap though.. its good for the conversation...
 
Daniel said:
You've been hit in the head one too many times ... working hypotheses.... best explanation for your stupidity...

You and I live in different worlds... the trees I work on DO NOT push back the way your tall trees do.
Push back and spring return are not going to be much of an issue on trunks that are relatively inflexible and short.... When loading a tree with a pull line the entire trunk is pulled forward... while there may be some push back, as the top starts to move it's not going to be much. And often any push back is not going to take the stick back beyond the original pre-pull position.

You're all hung up on push back... it's almost irrelevant compared to creating forward momentum in the kind of trees that the majority of people reading this thread will ever work on...

You all proud of yourself for throwing a top 8-10' from a height of 135'

I threw that pine top 22' from a height of 40'....

The kind of person that would do that is one with the balls and know how to make it work. That's what it took to get the job done... obviously outside you box... keep talking crap though.. its good for the conversation...
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So we’re having a little discussion about poping tops, and as usual you begin spewing your typical misinformation. You can’t do that. Your wrong. This is how it works. Physic. Throwing big tops. Yada, yada, yada. After listening to your bullshit for awhile, I post a few vids that fly in the face of your fucking nonsense.

You then display to all your vast understanding of the physics involved in topping trees by posting a few vid of you literally ripping the tops out of trees with a speeding pickup. Bravo bro, and surefire proof that your over inflated opinion of yourself is warranted.

As far as I know we both do tree work on planet earth, and as someone who has topped many different species of trees in many different areas of this wonderous blue marble, I can tell you that they all experience pushback, followed by forward movement. That’s what they do. Unfortunately you lacked the smarts, or attention to detail to figure this out, and use it to your advantage. Please don’t be to hard on yourself Daniel . We all can’t soar with the eagles bro. If I ever do need a top ripped out of a tree with a speeding pickup I’ll give you a shout.
 
evo said:
Damn that’s a tall freakin ladder
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I was up near the top of that 16' orchard ladder, head over the top, for sure, on the second story deck, looking down at concrete, sloping down and away. I'm not a bull in a China shop, luckily. One branch broke onto the other, tangling them, so I pieced them out, while he worked other stuff. No great TIPs on that tree.
 
rico said:
who has topped many different species of trees in many different areas of this wonderous blue marble, I can tell you that they all experience pushback, followed by forward movement. That’s what they do. Unfortunately you lacked the smarts, or attention to detail to figure this out, t.
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You've shown that some trees push back.. but saying that all trees push back is complete nonsense.. which is expected coming from you.... did you ride the short bus for those 8 years????

Here's a large oak top going over... no apparent movement in the trunk until after the top is caught by the rope and then a little more when it swings back into the trunk... bucket was maxed out at 75'... bucket doesn't move, so any topping oscillation would be very apparent by contrast... push back and spring return have no effect on this top, because there is none!

 
No I walked to school because the bus didn't come down in my holler. I did wear a helmet when walking though. The normal kids teased me, but my moms thought it would be best, as I was prone to walking into things.

Jeez, maybe thats where my powerful disdain for head protection began?
 
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Daniel said:
You've shown that some trees push back.. but saying that all trees push back is complete nonsense.. which is expected coming from you.... did you ride the short bus for those 8 years????

Here's a large oak top going over... no apparent movement in the trunk until after the top is caught by the rope and then a little more when it swings back into the trunk... bucket was maxed out at 75'... bucket doesn't move, so any topping oscillation would be very apparent by contrast... push back and spring return have no effect on this top, because there is none!

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So thats your irrefutable proof that the physics busting tree's in Philly somehow miraculously don't experience pushback? Really? I let you figure out why you did not get MUCH pushback in this case buddy, and certainly not enough to have any influence on the flight of this top. Duh!

More importantly I would like to know what kind of D-Bag names a vid "GOING BIG", then shows us a little top being taking at 50 ft? A bit of an oxymoron, me thinks?
 
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