failed lock stiching

Tuttle. You know full well that every piece of literature there is suggests that locking brummels are more secure.

In almost every case, in arborist use, most major splicing houses use locking brummels over straight buries for a myriad of reasons.

If anyone has any questions about splicing feel free ask Phil @ TreeStuff or Ian @ WesSpur. Tuttle is a liar and a fool. His recommendations are not to be taken seriously. Tuttle purposely spreads false information for some unknown motive. Following his recommendations or methods will likely get you hurt.
 
JTree said:
Yeah.....usually I have a loop of accessory cord with a carabiner aeound the anchor end of the block to use for hoisting. It had been removed for some reason, and I was breaking in a new groundie that day (hence the reason why he forgot to get out from under me after tying the sling on to my line). I had been yelling instructions down stairs all day.....maybe not good reasons, but those are the reasons nonetheless. Good help...it don't grow on trees, ya know.
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I am with you! Lots of tree folk tie the climbing line to the eye regularly then look at me funny when I ask them not too.

The damage you are describing is the main reason, espicially on hollow braids. Way better ways to tie slings on, as you know and obviously attempted to communicate!

Tony
 
Worth mentioning- that splice should've held fine without the stitching. Something else happened here. Now we just gotta figure out what.

The stitching didn't fail. Something else did.


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nick
 
2 full fids buried with the last 8" or so tapered down to 2/3 diameter. Pics unavailable unfortunately. I'm not sure why you find it so odd.....tenex tec buries always pull free easy for me.....I mean that is why Whoopie/loopie slings are able to adjust. It doesn't hold tight unless it's under load. My green as grass groundie tied it in the eye, but not only on the eye, but on the side of the eye the bury was. Seems reasonable to me that with no lock stitching, it would pull right out with identical circumstances.

I'm very interested to hear what you've got to say on this nick. Hope this reply doesn't sound snarky or proud. You've given me solid advice before. I barely splice compared to the collective expierience on TB.
 
I always pull a bight of climbing line though the main sheave of the block, and tie a few half hitches. The bull line gets tied about 12" under the block, or pre threaded with a stopper. That way if it's a dead eye, it can be installed before it's dropped from the climbing line.
 
Not a bad way to go about it, evo. I prefer the accessory cord + key chain biner only because in between cuts, I can hang it easily from my saddle, but this is certainly an acceptable way to send up a block. That incident plus others has this new part time groundie on thin ice. If he doesn't step up his game next job, he's off the roster as last time he was as much liability as anything else.
 
Lol, i mean, 90% of the time i am asking for equipment from the ground (including this time) I pull a bight from between my HC and hitch and then clip on a throw weight and revolver with the expectation that the guys on the ground can clip on the equipment, then pull the tail and hoist it for me. The concept had already been explained to the groundie and he had been walked through the proceedure. The time of the incident, I lowered the bight with the revolver and throw weight, then I yelled down telling them what I wanted, then I wiggled a roundedthe spar, lowered my choked climbing line, and when I looked down here was wistle britches standing there staring up at me while my good groundie was dragging brush. The climbing line was tied to the sling ABOVE the revolver/weight, meaning that I was going to have to hoist the stinking block, then pull my own tail in order to get the revolver/ weight back. ...my throat was sore enough for me not t ok want to yell down for him to fix it, and honestly I was afraid that ifI DID start yelling down instructions, I would continue to yell....saying *ahem* less than encouraging things in ear shot of the HO.....so I decided to keep my mouth shut and educate him later....just as the block got about 20' off the ground, whistle britches walks right under the block to pick up what had to be the lightest piece of brush in eye sight and just as I was yelling down to tell him to get out of the way, whoopsie, the splice let's go. I changed what I was yelling in to "headache".......and instead of moving out from under me faster than he was, he stops and looks back up at me....the block missed him by about 2 feet. He smiled about it......frustration, man.....like I said, it isn't always easy for me to find good help.
 
Tuttle. What do those measurements have to with anything? 23?

You know full well a fid is 21 times a diameter, so a two fid length bury on 3/4" rope is 31.5" or 800mm.

STOP LYING TO PEOPLE. You ever see me Tuttle, watch out... cause I am coming for you.

If anyone has questions about splicing, please call Ian @ WesSpur or Phil @ TreeStuff.
 
bonner, now you have locked the other thread, and stuck the knife in.....you did not take note of the pics....and I bet you have not taken a slaice apart and seen what I have seen....cut them open boys and see the logic...I'm not going to say what is here....its your kit....its your life.
 
TEST? I have a 25,000lb test bed and the credibility of a major company with professional splicers behind me. You have nothing but non-sensical ramblings. You are a fool. Get out of here, we don't want you here.

Im not an admin, I didn't lock your thread. I have toured the Teufelberger faculty and talked about the Slaice with their engineers.

There is something wrong with you. Its malicious. Your not really stupid, just an evil piece of crap. Why would you tell someone to bury something you absolutely know is too little.
 
a 500mm bury is inadequate. I will do everything I can to further your prosecution if I find out someone gets hurt following your advice. You are on notice.
 
He sells spliced goods. He knows its 2 fids. He wants someone to get hurt, that is the only explanation. He is evil. a bad person. Worthless. Slime. Scum.
 
And as tenex stretches so easily, I made sure the rope was relaxed before measuring. I stand by the fact that I followed manufactor's instructions for the 12 strand hollow braid splice. By the book, all the way. The remains of the lock stitching I recoveredout of it were worn at all the exposed spots as well as discolored (colored whipping string), and frayed where it had broken. I am now just under the impression that the straight bury isn't a suitable splice for slings. They get banged aeound too muchwith normal wear. Brummels it is from here on out......and more robust llock stitch thread.
 
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