"Extreme Rigging"
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Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
just think about a euc man wearing shorts....
just think about a euc man wearing shorts....
Reg
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Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
Upon reflection, I have to admit that I was pretty narrow minded in my contributions to this thread. I just made my mind up from the start that it was a dumb concept with little scope for exploration.
In my defense though, what put me off was the whole drilling and ball-bearing thing, I just couldn’t get past it.
I did speak to Laz about it after, and apologized if my comments were in anyway offensive, he accepted like a true gent.
I started to construct a felling simulation out of a conifer stem (for an up and coming demo) earlier tonight, and obviously, this involved moving and lifting timber around.
I might be stating/asking something really obvious here as I haven’t checked to see whether this was actually acknowledged in the thread. Why the need for drilling? I’ve been screwing lags in and out with ease. Just a tap with a hammer and then a short bar to turn them in or out. About 30 seconds per lag. Very simple and fast I thought.
Obviously, for rigging situations, I would weld up the hook into an eye. But assuming they screw into severed hardwoods as easy as softwoods, this technique works. And with the set up speed, and ease of which I’ve described, you could use as many lags as you felt necessary.
Ask yourself this, your rigging down a spar in the rain, what method would you rather use, tying/securing of big wet sloppy slings and ropes, or tapping and screwing a few bolts/hooks right in front of you.
I don’t want to kick this whole thing off again and start going over old ground, but what I discovered tonight has certainly given me food for thought. Anyone care to add to this.
Upon reflection, I have to admit that I was pretty narrow minded in my contributions to this thread. I just made my mind up from the start that it was a dumb concept with little scope for exploration.
In my defense though, what put me off was the whole drilling and ball-bearing thing, I just couldn’t get past it.
I did speak to Laz about it after, and apologized if my comments were in anyway offensive, he accepted like a true gent.
I started to construct a felling simulation out of a conifer stem (for an up and coming demo) earlier tonight, and obviously, this involved moving and lifting timber around.
I might be stating/asking something really obvious here as I haven’t checked to see whether this was actually acknowledged in the thread. Why the need for drilling? I’ve been screwing lags in and out with ease. Just a tap with a hammer and then a short bar to turn them in or out. About 30 seconds per lag. Very simple and fast I thought.
Obviously, for rigging situations, I would weld up the hook into an eye. But assuming they screw into severed hardwoods as easy as softwoods, this technique works. And with the set up speed, and ease of which I’ve described, you could use as many lags as you felt necessary.
Ask yourself this, your rigging down a spar in the rain, what method would you rather use, tying/securing of big wet sloppy slings and ropes, or tapping and screwing a few bolts/hooks right in front of you.
I don’t want to kick this whole thing off again and start going over old ground, but what I discovered tonight has certainly given me food for thought. Anyone care to add to this.
Riggs
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Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
"Ask yourself this, your rigging down a spar in the rain, what method would you rather use, tying/securing of big wet sloppy slings and ropes, or tapping and screwing a few bolts/hooks right in front of you."
Maybe if you started tying your knots faster , you'd have the tree down before it starts to rain . Ask yourself this question . Why is there not a picture of this "method" ? Plesae just get the tree down , before we start debating if screwing lags in is more efficient than power drills . Just do it one time on a paying job , no demo , just do it . Take pictures and get paid , tahn it will be food for thought .
"Ask yourself this, your rigging down a spar in the rain, what method would you rather use, tying/securing of big wet sloppy slings and ropes, or tapping and screwing a few bolts/hooks right in front of you."
Maybe if you started tying your knots faster , you'd have the tree down before it starts to rain . Ask yourself this question . Why is there not a picture of this "method" ? Plesae just get the tree down , before we start debating if screwing lags in is more efficient than power drills . Just do it one time on a paying job , no demo , just do it . Take pictures and get paid , tahn it will be food for thought .
chris_girard
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Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
Hey Paolo, how's it going?
I love how this thread keeps going. It is very interesting.
I have a large spruce removal coming up in a few weeks that is in a very tight access area, but I was thinking of using this lag bolt technique. If I do, I'll get alot of pics. as well as time frame on the takedown.
Chris
Hey Paolo, how's it going?
I love how this thread keeps going. It is very interesting.
I have a large spruce removal coming up in a few weeks that is in a very tight access area, but I was thinking of using this lag bolt technique. If I do, I'll get alot of pics. as well as time frame on the takedown.
Chris
Reg
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- Victoria, BC
Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
Riggs
Have you seen my add in 'Job finder'? The job is yours Riggs.
When can you start?
I'll sort it all out this end, just give me your flight details.
Riggs
Have you seen my add in 'Job finder'? The job is yours Riggs.
When can you start?
I'll sort it all out this end, just give me your flight details.
Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
reg, tying wet ropes might be a pain, but you'd more than likely be taking bigger sections at a time remember
reg, tying wet ropes might be a pain, but you'd more than likely be taking bigger sections at a time remember
Reg
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- Victoria, BC
Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
Yeah Steve. All I'm saying is that when you take the drilling out of the equation, consider that you can install as many lags as you feel is needed (about 30 seconds per lag), it's not as impractical as it once sounded.
I haven't tried it in practice, just messed around a little yesterday. But I could fabricate big lags for big sections easily. They would not break, nor would they come out.
I'm happy to sort it out and try to post some footage. Its hardly a challenging project, it's just finding the time to do it.
Yeah Steve. All I'm saying is that when you take the drilling out of the equation, consider that you can install as many lags as you feel is needed (about 30 seconds per lag), it's not as impractical as it once sounded.
I haven't tried it in practice, just messed around a little yesterday. But I could fabricate big lags for big sections easily. They would not break, nor would they come out.
I'm happy to sort it out and try to post some footage. Its hardly a challenging project, it's just finding the time to do it.
Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
they'd be hard to insert by hand on certain species i'll bet.
i'd be very interested to see it in action actually.
how deep do you think you'd need to put in the lags to be sure they wouldnt fail
they'd be hard to insert by hand on certain species i'll bet.
i'd be very interested to see it in action actually.
how deep do you think you'd need to put in the lags to be sure they wouldnt fail
Reg
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Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
I don't know Steve, 6 inches maybe. 20 inch bar to wind them in.
Steel verses wood, should be no contest in this instance.
Evenings or weekends are the best time to catch me Paolo.
I was just working a piece of steel in the vice a moment ago when I had to bend down to pick something up. As I got back up BANG, my f-g head into the steel.
Ive blood and a big chunk of hair missing now. What a clown!
I don't know Steve, 6 inches maybe. 20 inch bar to wind them in.
Steel verses wood, should be no contest in this instance.
Evenings or weekends are the best time to catch me Paolo.
I was just working a piece of steel in the vice a moment ago when I had to bend down to pick something up. As I got back up BANG, my f-g head into the steel.
Ive blood and a big chunk of hair missing now. What a clown!
Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
Well, this is relevant to the thread, particularly where its headed with part 2.....
http://www.treemettlenexus.com/pdfs/rules_%20for_riggers.pdf
Any discussion welcome.
Well, this is relevant to the thread, particularly where its headed with part 2.....
http://www.treemettlenexus.com/pdfs/rules_%20for_riggers.pdf
Any discussion welcome.
Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
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they'd be hard to insert by hand on certain species i'll bet.
i'd be very interested to see it in action actually.
how deep do you think you'd need to put in the lags to be sure they wouldnt fail
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Well Steve, thanks to Reg's efforts on that big bad leaning Ash, seems 6mm lag hooks with no drilling worked a treat.
I'm looking forward to seeing Reg's video with that wide angled lense.
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they'd be hard to insert by hand on certain species i'll bet.
i'd be very interested to see it in action actually.
how deep do you think you'd need to put in the lags to be sure they wouldnt fail
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Well Steve, thanks to Reg's efforts on that big bad leaning Ash, seems 6mm lag hooks with no drilling worked a treat.
I'm looking forward to seeing Reg's video with that wide angled lense.
Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
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"Ask yourself this, your rigging down a spar in the rain, what method would you rather use, tying/securing of big wet sloppy slings and ropes, or tapping and screwing a few bolts/hooks right in front of you."
Maybe if you started tying your knots faster , you'd have the tree down before it starts to rain . Ask yourself this question . Why is there not a picture of this "method" ? Plesae just get the tree down , before we start debating if screwing lags in is more efficient than power drills . Just do it one time on a paying job , no demo , just do it . Take pictures and get paid , tahn it will be food for thought .
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On its way I believe Riggs. On its way.....
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"Ask yourself this, your rigging down a spar in the rain, what method would you rather use, tying/securing of big wet sloppy slings and ropes, or tapping and screwing a few bolts/hooks right in front of you."
Maybe if you started tying your knots faster , you'd have the tree down before it starts to rain . Ask yourself this question . Why is there not a picture of this "method" ? Plesae just get the tree down , before we start debating if screwing lags in is more efficient than power drills . Just do it one time on a paying job , no demo , just do it . Take pictures and get paid , tahn it will be food for thought .
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On its way I believe Riggs. On its way.....
TC
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Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
Wow! where did this old thread bob up from?! next thing you know someone will be rekindling the fires of 'Arborist Ethics in the UK'.
Laz, your bigging this up bigtime, lets hope for your sake its a good un.
Wow! where did this old thread bob up from?! next thing you know someone will be rekindling the fires of 'Arborist Ethics in the UK'.
Laz, your bigging this up bigtime, lets hope for your sake its a good un.
Reg
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- Victoria, BC
Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
Has it really been a whole year Glen!
Well the circumstances finally arrived where I just couldn’t see the safer alternative….and yes we got paid and I received a much appreciated little bonus (thanks Steve if you ever get to read this)
The ash trunk was a real ugly, lumpy thing; fluctuating between four and five feet across, leaning away from where we needed to place the rounds; building, walls, fencing and light fittings right around the base….it just had to be rigged and if not obvious from the video then you just had to be there.
The method used was a little different than the one discussed in this thread all that time ago, but I was confident that we had taken the necessary measures to put the tree down safely. I don’t know if it’s ‘extreme rigging’ but what I do know is that I was extremely uncomfortable having to work on the underside of that trunk….my spike were at ninety degrees and were barely able to penetrate let alone hold in the crumbly bark.
For the record: I tested the holding strength of welded-up 6mm lags in the tree to my satisfaction before we started; obviously I chipped the bark away before insertion; the slings were rated at 2.4 Kn each, the lowering device and position of the lags were strategically placed to guide the rounds into the crotch….at no point did I feel unsafe. The only feasible alternative would have been to rip the rounds into quarters or fifths and toss them onto a 3 foot patch of dirt and hope they didn’t bounce into the light fittings….but as mentioned earlier, the trunk was leaning away so to add to the difficulty.
For anyone having to rig something similar, my advice is to think and plan it through very carefully. Best of luck. Hopefully I’ll get away with it for another year.
The footage is in the last of the three videos. Thanks
http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=133633&Main=133633#Post133633
Has it really been a whole year Glen!
Well the circumstances finally arrived where I just couldn’t see the safer alternative….and yes we got paid and I received a much appreciated little bonus (thanks Steve if you ever get to read this)
The ash trunk was a real ugly, lumpy thing; fluctuating between four and five feet across, leaning away from where we needed to place the rounds; building, walls, fencing and light fittings right around the base….it just had to be rigged and if not obvious from the video then you just had to be there.
The method used was a little different than the one discussed in this thread all that time ago, but I was confident that we had taken the necessary measures to put the tree down safely. I don’t know if it’s ‘extreme rigging’ but what I do know is that I was extremely uncomfortable having to work on the underside of that trunk….my spike were at ninety degrees and were barely able to penetrate let alone hold in the crumbly bark.
For the record: I tested the holding strength of welded-up 6mm lags in the tree to my satisfaction before we started; obviously I chipped the bark away before insertion; the slings were rated at 2.4 Kn each, the lowering device and position of the lags were strategically placed to guide the rounds into the crotch….at no point did I feel unsafe. The only feasible alternative would have been to rip the rounds into quarters or fifths and toss them onto a 3 foot patch of dirt and hope they didn’t bounce into the light fittings….but as mentioned earlier, the trunk was leaning away so to add to the difficulty.
For anyone having to rig something similar, my advice is to think and plan it through very carefully. Best of luck. Hopefully I’ll get away with it for another year.
The footage is in the last of the three videos. Thanks
http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=133633&Main=133633#Post133633
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- sheffield.uk
Re: \"Extreme Rigging\"
hay reg just seen the vids of the ash take down very cool, love the rigging, i also use the rigging line retrieval but with a cheep carabiner. matt
hay reg just seen the vids of the ash take down very cool, love the rigging, i also use the rigging line retrieval but with a cheep carabiner. matt
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