EAB Experience

Levi, I doubt EAB is restricted to Boulder city limits and you are just down the road a bit from there. I have heard of wood infested material that was transported to Gunbarrel and probably beyond. My guess is EAB is in Longmont. Our Ash are moisture stressed and our late/early frosts have further stressed them. I think a real challenge will be getting good uptake. I took a tour of Boulder with Kathleen and saw a row of great looking healthy Ash trees, when I commented on it she told me they were part of Whitney's trial group. From my colleagues in the Midwest, everyone it telling me not to try to fight this from behind.

In the housing complex where EAB CO tree #1 was found they have treated other trees which were infested, they are alive but don't look great. The other issue is detection, these insects are very difficult to detect even for those that have extensive experience and thus confirmation of their presence lags about 3 - 5 years behind initial infestation. Down here in Denver Metro we are getting ready for the inevitable confirmation.

I was recently in Tucson and talking to people about treatments from all over the country and it's going to be interesting. Some companies did not have good luck treating with Imidacloprid and suffered huge losses when pressure increased. Tree-Age is the way to go and maybe as others here said down to 12 or 10 or less DBH. They might be able to treat a 50% tree in the Midwest but I doubt we can out here. With 4 native borers of Ash, low precipitation, and erratic climatic conditions we are at a distinct disadvantage. I think a solid nutrient program would also help uptake and wound closure but not too much high nitrogen.

Success will depend on timing, tree health, and proper treatment (type and application), in the Midwest there are still many healthy Ash and success rates high when properly managed.
 
Years or rather decades ago companies lost big time when they offered guarantees for Dutch Elm Disease treatments, they would remove the tree for free if it died, and from those experiences I don't know of any company that currently offers such a thing. But maybe some younger tree care companies don't know about this lesson learned. It's a terrible idea to guarantee any treatment of any living organism as there are way too many variables. Does a vet or doctor offer a guarantee for treating a pet or person? I've never heard of one.

We are a service business and how does one guarantee a service? Was it done properly and who is to say it was not? A technician is not going to write that they didn't get proper uptake or they cheated on the mix rate. You could guarantee the service and offer a money back if the tree dies but then someone would have to confirm what the tree died of and that is often difficult. Not to mention how pissed off the client will be when you tell them it died of something different. IF any company were to offer a guarantee there would need to be long legal document spelling out exactly what the guarantee covered, what the limits were, time frame, damages, required arbitration or mediation, etc. etc. etc.

A word of advice, don't ever write the G word on any estimate, work order, or invoice as it opens a legal bag of worms that you won't want to deal with in the future.
 
My company guarantees a portion of the removal cost if the tree dies from EAB and we also do it for dutch elm. We have had trees die from DED, and the client gets a discount on removal. It hasn't been very common, just a few over the many years we have been treating. A full guarantee would be foolish.
 
So how would you sell that? Someone calls you and is concerned about there tree. You would tell them that they need to treat once every three years to protect the tree? When compared to the cost of cutting down the tree they are saving money, right? Am I right in this thinking?
Rice, you're thinking is right, if trees are not worth anything. When you judge the value of treatments against the cost of removal, the value of the tree has to be factored in. Learning to do appraisal just buy a rough method of using maybe a dollar value per oinch can give the tree owners some contacts. Without figuring the value of the tree, the equation is heavily skewed towards removal.
 
I really would like to know more about the population of the bug. It seems that once the ash trees are gone or less than the bug will not be in such huge numbers that it wipes the trees out. Will the bug become more of a low level endemic pest rather than a plague? There are vigorous trees and it doesn't take a lot of treatment to protect them. pesticided yards seem to have kept a lot of trees alive and there are trees that the bug just has seemed to skip over. Very curious how it all plays out.
 
Sorry
Does anyone really like ash trees?
And why?


http://www.urban-forestry.com/assets/documents/eab/sma-eab-position-paper.pdf
It's a philosophical continuum.
Do most certified arborist crane guys push treatments as a first course of action?would you?i also don't care for ash, other then it's contributions in genetic diversity.

Our DEC has some good info
http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7253.html

Onandaga county (Syracuse). Is cutting down 95% (44,000) ash before the eab can kill them. Going to try and save 5%.
I like their approach.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....rees_before_emerald_border_can_kill_them.html

now that it's in NY... Something is going to be done!
http://www.syracuse.com/politics/in...t_to_fight_emerald_ash_borer_in_new_york.html
 
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I just finished attending an EAB presentation by Paul Kurtz out of Rutgers. Some of the latest info on EAB was presented. For instance, they've determined that the threshold for ash is 30% canopy loss. Once that's exceeded treatment is not recommended. As for distance from known infestations, it is recommended that if you're within 20 miles you should start preventative treatments for high value trees.

NJ had nothing until 2014 then it showed up just under 10 miles from us. We immediately started to contact clients we knew with Ash trees and conduct seminars on EAB in conjunction with the County Extension Agent. Initially we've advised doing an inventory of all trees on a client's property to determine the density of Ash, value in the landscape and condition of the trees. This way they'll not be taking down other species leaving the property with only Ash or a higher percentage. Then we make are advising which trees would be best suited for retention and subsequently treatment.

When talking to customers about the cost of treatment vs. removal we also must take into account the value of the tree in their landscape. There's a multitude of studies done to show the overall economic value a a given species taking into account factors beyond the aesthetic value to include stormwater management, temperature moderation, utility savings, etc.... Another aspect of the cost is replacement of the lost tree.

There is a lot of information out there. Look up your local County agent and find out who their EAB expert is and spend some time with them. Approach one of the universities that have been involved in the study and efforts to find a solution to the infestation. These people are immersed in this everyday.
Something that was discussed today was an online cost calculator, http://int.entm.purdue.edu/ext/treecomputer/
 

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