Do you really hold the chainsaw with both hands ?

Notice the title has nothing to do with in the tree , so all you one handed basket babies let's hear from you too... One handing makes life easy if you put in your time and understand the reprecussions... some dumbass is gonna chop thier hand off and blame me now.....he said it was easy to chop your hand off ...wasn't lyin
 
2handing gives more leveraged control over high power device,
forces carried more balanced to/thru receiving spine column.
This gives more control with less fatigue.
Less fatigue by
>>greater leverage against saw
>>ported thru 2 not 1 arm
>>to balanced and centered not 1 sided leveraged load to spine
As in all things, 1hand connection is a pin/PIVOT, 2 is a HOLD
>>the spread between is the leverage , just like bolts/nails etc.
Kickback against 1hand pivot is much more risk than against leveraged spread hold with elbow locked forward arm.
Also, proper 2handing keeps hands from being caught on business side of saw, of that tiny powerhouse!!
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Honestly, this solution has twist of a paradigm as any other solution tho, there are times, even with all that above, may personally evaluate 1hand on saw as safer, for me that wasn't common, but more than twice a year I must confess. That at that time the best way forward is evolving temporarily to reverse logic, something takes years to evaluate fairly, so only when enough experience to evaluate, and not setting example for others. Counterintuitive paths are generally not beginner's routes, as gauntlet of wrong choices and traps made to fool you.
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But after so many years correctly, it was with great alarm internally that was praying to be safe with 1toe QUICKLY over the line... And purposefully perpetuated internal alarm with thoughts like was in space stepping over line to do something by temporarily disconnecting air hose, and brain shrieking "OK dumb azz, you just disconnected your friggin' air and need to get back in line..". Cuz I think that is the weight it should be given always and all ways.
 
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One hand a saw all the time. small enough branches with easy enough throw I'm one handing and chucking every one. If they're too heavy and too risky I'll rig them. Situational. I'm certainly not going to one hand a saw with the bar and chain lined up right at my jugular with the possibility for kick back. Use your brain. It's very useful. Know your limits. Do whatever you want. Coming from an owner operator.
 
I understand that logic to a degree.

Would you tell a baseball pitcher to throw the ball slower so that his shoulders will last longer? I can only imagine that the pitcher would continue to throw the ball as fast as he could for as long as possible.......

I think I might be at more of a risk of having a heart attack from how anxious and annoyed I would feel if I were rigging 50 tiny branches on a tree and taking all day to do I job when I knew it were all unnecessary.

I respect your opinion, but I can't say I fully agree. If I sound like a prick, I don't mean to be.

That's as far as I'm going to go on this matter!
 
My concern is that were taking one injury for another. Doing line clearance a. LOT of the time brush needs to be handled and tossed and that many snap cuts I can already feel taking it's toll. I can feel every snap on my wrists, and elbows, plus the shoulders.

Webbing straps are no better, and roping everything simply transfers the repetitive injuries to the crew on the ground.

I fully understand we shouldn't be one handing it off laziness, but there definitely should be a time and place is acceptable.

I don't even want to get into the handsaw it instead debate
 
Shoulder is a tricky thing, loose wingy hanging by ligament threads etc.
You don't want to make it mad.
Take this from one that drilled hard enough to get White Fingers in the middle of Florida summer that lasted over a yr.
( not the summer, tho seems like it sometimes).
 
It’s so quick and easy to catch smallish stuff with a cinched sling and throw it down. You can chain up 2 or 3 slings and do 3 in 3 saw moves, all 2-handed. We’re talking a few seconds difference between one-handing and grabbing and using a sling. If that’s too much to bear raise your quotes by a dollar an hour ;-) Save one-handing for those situations where with consideration it is safer positioning-wise than two-handing, not for an imagined productivity enhancer.
-AJ
 
without resorting to rigging everything so you can 2-hand that way, I follow these guidelines:
  • If it's big and it's rigged, use two hands on chainsaw for notch & back cut. shouldn't need another hand unless it's to guide the piece away from you or protect yourself from swinging wood
  • If it's big and it's not rigged, make snap cut with both hands on the chainsaw, then put saw away and snap the piece or push/chuck with both hands
  • if it's smaller than a big piece but too big for the handsaw, use two hands on the chainsaw to make a snap cut, then put the saw away and snap with both hands.
  • If it's small, use the handsaw. one handing a handsaw has less drama than a 8lb power saw.
I used to one hand my chainsaw every so often, but after I started getting good at my snap cuts, I haven't needed to.
 
Sfoppema said:
I understand that logic to a degree.

Would you tell a baseball pitcher to throw the ball slower so that his shoulders will last longer? I can only imagine that the pitcher would continue to throw the ball as fast as he could for as long as possible.......

I think I might be at more of a risk of having a heart attack from how anxious and annoyed I would feel if I were rigging 50 tiny branches on a tree and taking all day to do I job when I knew it were all unnecessary.

I respect your opinion, but I can't say I fully agree. If I sound like a prick, I don't mean to be.

That's as far as I'm going to go on this matter!
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Damnit.
I thought I was just gonna read the thread.


That pitcher will make enough money for his entire life in those 15 years. Fuck the shoulders, his grandkids are going to an Ivy League school.
Tree climbers don't both survive and have careers that short.
 
SomethingWitty said:
Damnit.
I thought I was just gonna read the thread.


That pitcher will make enough money for his entire life in those 15 years. Fuck the shoulders, his grandkids are going to an Ivy League school.
Tree climbers don't both survive and have careers that short.
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Yea, me and my fucked up shoulder had to settle for sending my puppy to doggie obedience classes.
 
I like irony, and if you pay attention you can see a lot of it. The "I don't do that safer thing because it is slows production down" argument is common in every single industry on the planet. My favorite is when they use coat hanger wire to bypass the safety devices on equipment, because it's faster.

In every case when I've asked "how much faster?" the answers are always related to a few seconds or a minute saved each time you do it. Then multiplied by how many times the action in question is performed. But, never do they look at the time savings over the course of the work shift... because there is LOTS of time lost to stupid shit over that time. Somehow, though, those seconds or minutes saved are important... more important than the twenty minutes they wasted smoking cigarettes outside the back door when the boss wasn't looking... more important than the fifteen minutes they spent smoking weed in the bathroom four times in one shift... more important than the slowed down production caused by them shooting the shit about football or blaming China for making stuff for American companies... more important than the three days of lost production because some dumbass used a coat hanger to bypass the safety devices on equipment just before an OSHA inspection.

Nobody ever says, "I one-hand my chainsaw because I think it makes me look badass!" or "I one-hand my chainsaw because I'm an impatient idiot and I'm too lazy to get better positioning!" or any other, believable reason. No, it's always "It's so much faster!" when anyone who's done it knows perfectly well that it's only slightly faster on a good day.

I'm not like that, at all. I one-hand my chainsaw because my pecker is so huge, that if I don't keep one hand on it, it will flop out and the tree will snap off at the ground.
 
Tom Dunlap said:
youre 28 now? Living in your bulletproof decade
Please set a calendar notification to come back with an update on your shoulders in 10, 20, 30 years. Poor ergonomics now will be paid for indecades to come. The few seconds gained now will be spent recovering from various ergonomic related injuries
or not...
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Or as we say - you may still be racing, but you'll be racing along with very, very used parts . . . . .
 
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