Digger Pine - Hillside Rigging

Bixler

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Nasty ol' Digger up on a hillside, close enough to the house for the client to want it gone, I don't blame him. The video just shows some of the heavy wood we rigged down, I wasn't able to film the trunk falling. Everything went well and we got out of there right before the storm hit. Special thanks to fellow buzzer BlackOakTreeService for helping to button things up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RXJfvYTthg
 
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Why not fell it? The hill looked pretty trashed from skidding the wood anyways?

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Because if he did he'd have to pay Murphy licensing fees for using his patented technique.
 
Thanks guys, it was a fun one.

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lose the biner on the end of the line and tie a knot!!!!

What kinda camera did you use?

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Arbor, good call on losing the biner, especially when you get to the heavier stuff. I've never had one break on me so I best quit while I'm ahead. The camera is an old one from Costco, I forget the model.

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Why not fell it? The hill looked pretty trashed from skidding the wood anyways?

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Jeff, good question. Everything about that tree wanted to go down the hill and through the house. I think we could have fell it without rigging out all of the back weight, but with no truck or tractor access we only had the power of the portable winch, and with no room for error we decided to get rid of the back weight to better our odds for success.

I was one out of five tree services that bid on the job, the client told me that a couple of them said they would have to leave behind a 20 ft trunk.
 
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Thanks guys, it was a fun one.

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lose the biner on the end of the line and tie a knot!!!!

What kinda camera did you use?

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Arbor, good call on losing the biner, especially when you get to the heavier stuff. I've never had one break on me so I best quit while I'm ahead. The camera is an old one from Costco, I forget the model.



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On a real heavy peice or shockload, you might have the biner cut the bull rope, before you break the biner. That is what is more likely to happen.

You might like that backbone, see how riggs likes it for a while maybe.

This video is a good reason to show why you put a foot ascender on WITH your spikes.

I meant long ago to add to that thread, but didn't find it to contribute.

I was suprised others didn't understand why you would put a foot ascender on with spikes.

It's for curved and twisty trees like this, when it's much easier to get back on the rope and ascend instead of following the trunk.

Also, I can't help notice the rigging would have been a much safer setup if you had a few XRR slings on that trunk, causing the rigging line to follow that curved trunk instead of a straight line from the LD to the block. Really though.

Fine video.
 
You got it X, good info, hey Riggs, how do you like that backbone?

Yeah I do like the spur-ascender, you should get the guys at the http://www.xtremearborist.com supply store to start producing them. Here you go... spur-ascender with handsaw scabbard set up. One tight package.

That would have been a perfect tree for the X Riggin' Ring... speaking of which... have the elves shipped mine out yet? Some jerk ran into my mailbox, smashed it to bits, I hope it wasn't in there. Thanks again.
 
I doubt if this is the right place to post this. But it relates to the carabiner discussion. Please forgive me in advance Bix. I don't mean to hijack or steer your thread.

I have experience using a carabiner instead of a bowline while negative blocking. I can't say what will happen in every situation or with every piece of hardware, but I did have a carabiner break. It was a 50 KN steel carabiner tied with a scaffold hitch onto 5/8" stable braid. We were rigging down the spar of a ponderosa pine. I was running the rope on the ground and my coworker was rigging and cutting from the bucket parked in the customer's driveway. After post-accident analysis, we determined there were a number of things that contributed to the failure (there usually is I guess). The rope was getting progressively pitchier and pitchier. This, I could tell, was affecting the way the rope ran around the bollard of the port-o-wrap. I believe we were using two wraps and it was becoming impossible to get the piece to run without shock loading the system. Even when barely holding onto the rope. and one wrap was fast enough to be dangerous to try to control. The decision was made to start cutting a little larger pieces to get the rope to run more (sounds stupid now, after the fact, I know). It worked well for a couple pieces, then it didn't work so well. the carabiner failed. Here is a picture of the carabiner. It should be noted that my coworker was only wrapping and clipping the rigged piece once around ie. no marl or half hitch which (from the way I understand it) is supposed to spread the shock load over two bends in the rope instead of only where the carabiner is clipped. I'm not sure it would have solved our problem. We had some other things going on, but it couldn't have hurt.

The conclusion is that, for wood that size, we should have been using a bowline and not a carabiner coupled with a marl or half hitch. And, when it became apparent that our pitchy rope was causing shock loading problems, we should have swapped it out for a different rope or even just swapping ends of the same rope might have taken care of it. Also, we should not have decided to rig larger pieces. When encountering difficulty, it seems the answer is almost never "go bigger". Oh well, hindsight is........
 
Here's where the piece ended up. It landed on the bucket truck outrigger. No damage to the truck but we broke the driveway under the outrigger. Not good!
 

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Good call on losing the biner for wood rigging. However, should one choose to continue to use a biner with relatively heavy loads, then consider this to further lessen the load on the carabiner, as well as any side loading. Instead of just clipping it to the line, go around the line and clip it back to itself, making a short, and tight loop. Also, an extra half hitch can be added. Either way, now the possible load on the biner is reduced way down, likely to as low as 10-20%.
 
chewwy,

That's great you took the time to share those pictures and the story.

I'm supprized it broke the biner with just that 5.5 ft log. Interesting. How much drop you think from the attachment to the block, maybe 2.5 feet. OH! you did say a prota wrap too didn't you. So there is that slap up slack too. Hmmm, yeah, I can see some shock loading now, with your sappy rope and all.

I'm sure Bixler is fine with sharing it here.

Really good stuff.

That's interesting, it was about the size of our small test log when we were shockloading XRR slings and such.

6 feet, 23" diameter on our small log.

8 feet, 23" diameter on our large log.

both both water soaked dead logs, heavier than green.

Bixler, Damn it, the tracking said it was delivered yesterday. Sorry, I'm not resending.
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Yeah X it kinda surprised us too. Not a huge piece of wood but definitely heavy. Probably 3 ft or a little more from attachment to block. Negative blocking so that means at least 7 ft drop to shock right? It was a hard shock too, basically the wood was dead stopping. It was worrying us enough that we knew before the carabiner broke that forces were starting to get x-treme (hahaha, x-treme.......see what I did there?)
 
Roger, interesting idea there. I can definitely see how that would lessen the load on the carabiner significantly. At some point though (with regard to adding bends in the line), it becomes easier to just tie a bowline. And, perhaps sooner, becomes easier for the groundie to untie it.
 

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