TC
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Re: Dangerous Technique Alert!!! 2
Frans is a REALLY funny guy.
Frans is a REALLY funny guy.
Dangerous Technique Alert!!! 2
- Thread starter frans
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grover, you're right, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit...but its also the funniest
As a fun exercise we occasionally put people into debate for a cause opposite of their natural role or behaviour.
So my post was an attempt to put a believable yet naive bent onto Frans's post ... all be it to suck more dudes in, and it did. LOL
Imagine that, a board loaded with USA TCC guys copping that, that was funny.
I find American's sense of humour quite stale personally, you guys have to loosen up a little, too much political correctness, suing and TV have made you guys a little square.
So my post was an attempt to put a believable yet naive bent onto Frans's post ... all be it to suck more dudes in, and it did. LOL
Imagine that, a board loaded with USA TCC guys copping that, that was funny.
I find American's sense of humour quite stale personally, you guys have to loosen up a little, too much political correctness, suing and TV have made you guys a little square.
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- Tha Dirty Bean
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I find American's sense of humour quite stale personally, you guys have to loosen up a little, too much political correctness, suing and TV have made you guys a little square.
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Not all of us Ek, I saw through your post from a mile away. You post so much you've become quit predictable
I find American's sense of humour quite stale personally, you guys have to loosen up a little, too much political correctness, suing and TV have made you guys a little square.
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Not all of us Ek, I saw through your post from a mile away. You post so much you've become quit predictable
- Location
- Nashville, TN
just remember...... he who laughs last......
- Location
- Longmont, CO
Hey, we Yanks have a sense of humor.
Supersized American (Bud) jumps into a taxi to go from International airport to Brisbane Convention Centre.
Bud:- Yo driver, I have some time to spend before my schedule do you mind driving around and showing some of the city?
Driver: No worries mate, about an hour to kill be right?
Bud: Sure.
Driver: Takes him over the Story Bridge.
Bud: Dam, this is a nice view and nice bridge, how long did it take them to build this one?
Driver: Oh, about 4 years.
Bud:: 4 years! God dam if this was in America they'd have built in in under a year!
Driver: Takes him over the Captain Cook bridge.
Bud: Man, this is a nice motorway style bridge and also a good view, how long did it take them to build this one?
Driver: Oh about a year.
Bud: A year! Dam if it were Americans building this bridge it's be done in 6 months!
Driver: Takes him over the Gateway Bridge, over 200' high.
Bud: Hot dam man, this is a cool bridge, great view. How long did it take them to build in this one?
Driver: Dunno mate, wasn't here yesterday!
Bud:- Yo driver, I have some time to spend before my schedule do you mind driving around and showing some of the city?
Driver: No worries mate, about an hour to kill be right?
Bud: Sure.
Driver: Takes him over the Story Bridge.
Bud: Dam, this is a nice view and nice bridge, how long did it take them to build this one?
Driver: Oh, about 4 years.
Bud:: 4 years! God dam if this was in America they'd have built in in under a year!
Driver: Takes him over the Captain Cook bridge.
Bud: Man, this is a nice motorway style bridge and also a good view, how long did it take them to build this one?
Driver: Oh about a year.
Bud: A year! Dam if it were Americans building this bridge it's be done in 6 months!
Driver: Takes him over the Gateway Bridge, over 200' high.
Bud: Hot dam man, this is a cool bridge, great view. How long did it take them to build in this one?
Driver: Dunno mate, wasn't here yesterday!
TC
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Not bad Ekka, how about this;
An Alabama man was looking for a place to live, but wasn't having much success.
Finally he came upon a farm house, figuring he had nothing to lose, he asked the farmer if he had a room to let.
The farmer said the only place he had left was the outhouse and that he was welcome to rent it.
The man was grateful and moved in right away.
The next day the farmer saw 2 T.V. antennas on top of the outhouse and was bewildered, so he knocked on the door to ask about the antennas.
The man said, "Well, I sublet the basement to a guy from Louisiana"
An Alabama man was looking for a place to live, but wasn't having much success.
Finally he came upon a farm house, figuring he had nothing to lose, he asked the farmer if he had a room to let.
The farmer said the only place he had left was the outhouse and that he was welcome to rent it.
The man was grateful and moved in right away.
The next day the farmer saw 2 T.V. antennas on top of the outhouse and was bewildered, so he knocked on the door to ask about the antennas.
The man said, "Well, I sublet the basement to a guy from Louisiana"
haha, watching you 2 converse reminds me of a little one liner....
I'm Schizophrenic, and so am I
I'm Schizophrenic, and so am I
TC
Participating member
Hey Steve!
What do you call an intelligent man in America?
What do you call an intelligent man in America?
Treespotter
New member
- Location
- Houten, The Netherlands
Can I, can I.....
Mister President?
Sorry
Mister President?
Sorry
pass
- Location
- Retired in Minneapolis
Take this to the Tree Free Zone...
- Location
- Longmont, Colorado
Frans,
I enjoy the competition. I enjoy seeing all the new and old faces that smile ear to ear spending a day or two watching their comrades, talking of techniques, new and old in the industry. I haved learned allot from all of the experienced arborist on site, and have made many new friends. How else would we get 60 plus guys together just for the sake of climbing? Over the years the rules have changed, techniques, ropes, and events. In the book Arborists tools/supplies, by Don Blair, he talks allot about the origins of the comp and the first few they held. It is a great book, well worth the read.
The comp is a work in progress and will always be such. As with anything it will improve, and with well qualified arborist like yourself Frans, I can only imagine how the competition would be improved if you were to join a comittee, or sign on as a judge to use your exceptional forsight to better the cinereo rather that to denunciat it.
I know I would feel allot better having a passionate, well versed, advocate of aborist safety and technique on site as a judge in the event then none at all. It would be an honor for me to see you there.
I enjoy the competition. I enjoy seeing all the new and old faces that smile ear to ear spending a day or two watching their comrades, talking of techniques, new and old in the industry. I haved learned allot from all of the experienced arborist on site, and have made many new friends. How else would we get 60 plus guys together just for the sake of climbing? Over the years the rules have changed, techniques, ropes, and events. In the book Arborists tools/supplies, by Don Blair, he talks allot about the origins of the comp and the first few they held. It is a great book, well worth the read.
The comp is a work in progress and will always be such. As with anything it will improve, and with well qualified arborist like yourself Frans, I can only imagine how the competition would be improved if you were to join a comittee, or sign on as a judge to use your exceptional forsight to better the cinereo rather that to denunciat it.
I know I would feel allot better having a passionate, well versed, advocate of aborist safety and technique on site as a judge in the event then none at all. It would be an honor for me to see you there.
- Location
- Atlanta, GA
Re: Dangerous Technique Alert!!!2
Frans, I know your post was sarcasm. Here is are some non-sarcastic reasons to participate however, so that those that don't realize your sarcasm can take away some good stuff. (you never know who is reading, there are a lot of non-professional viewers). Therefore, unambiguity is important.
Let me begin:
ahhemm..........
....pause.........
International Arborist Community:
Lets rally here and come up with some good reasons why a climbing competition should continue.
I will speak from my personal experience:
In a tree, time is not always something that we have an unlimited supply of.
ie: Being tied in at 100+ feet and having abrupt storm development create a need for a quick descent and break down of gear.
ie: having an injured climber that needs to be rescued as quickly as possible.
ie: having a dinner date at 7pm, and its 5:00, and you want to "get er done....but safely....while the home owners watch from the road" and you still have a couple massive leads to lower out before driving the chipper truck home.
ie: having only so much energy in a day to "burn" and take in, and wanting to work as efficiently and quickly as is possible under safe methods.
ie: a need for safe work practices to be learned and employed at all times, under the watchful eye of a panel of judges that will disqualify the climber if unsafe practices are employed.
Climbing competitions have only made me a safer climber. A better climber. A more aware climber. A more knowledgeable climber because I am sharing my methods with other progressive climbers in competition.
Climbing in competitions also helps the climber overcome a sense of "peer pressure" that is mentioned in the argument against climbing competitions. Peer pressure is all in the imagination. Are your peers really pressuring you? I disagree. I get support from the competitors in all the climbing competitions I have participated in. I get support from the crowd that gathers out of interest in the events. This "pressure" that you term is not unlike the "pressure" that can also be felt when actually performing on a job, when just as much is at stake. As far as I am concerned, it's all the same.
Usually the local community gathers out of interest. Nobody is there to see anybody fall out of a tree. They don't leave unsatisfied if there are no casualties. I personally haven't witnessed any casualties in the yearly competitions I have attended since 2001.
I haven't even heard of any injuries. I don't ask about them either. I don't dwell on that. I have heard about a lot more casualties from bad judgement and unsafe work practices out in the work place however. Accidents that could have been preventable if a climber may have practiced under a bit of pressure in order to prepare for a situation that called for a bit more speed than what he/she may normally operate under.
I look at the climbing competitions as training. Just like in the work place, you do not want to go beyond your capabilities. That's bad judgement. You want to push your capabilities to new levels. What other place to do it than under the safety of a controlled environment such as an ISA sponsored tree climbing championship.
Do you offer a better alternative at a reasonable fee? Please let everyone know so that we can sign up.
I don't see anyone at the climbing competitions that doesn't belong there. It's because the trees don't lie. They only tell the truth. The climbers that show up have a good respect for gravity, the tree, and self. They usually show up in one piece, and leave a bit more intact somehow. I can say that from my personal experience.
Climbing at a competitive level is something that I was guided to from an inner compass. I didn't do it until I was ready. It's a personal choice. Nobody is making anyone compete.
I must ask you Frans, if you have ever competed before? You don't get punished for coming in last place. Sometimes you even get a prize if its your first time. There is a lot of support there. A lot of comradery.
You posting doesn't sound to be from first hand experience. Re-think this philosophy.
Do fireman need to speed around the city in training runs all the time? Why do they do that! It's dangerous to the community. Why don't they just wait for a fire before having to go so fast in there trucks. Everything was safer and quieter when they were in their fire station playing poker and washing their trucks.
Do police officers need to fire so many shots at the firing range in rapid succession? I mean, really? It's so loud, wastes so many bullets. Smells up the air, its really dangerous to them. Their are accidents in the firing range where bullet casing burn people and guns backfire. People lose there hearing. How often do they have to unload a mag, and re-load and unload another in less than a minute with accuracy?
How about the military! Damn. Could they just stop buzzing me with fighter jets when I am peacefully pruning out a canopy! Nothing like a little afterburner residue to seal up all the pruning cuts! Plus, its unsafe. Do they have to practice bombing runs in Downtown Atlanta? Can't they fly a little slower? I mean, 700 miles an hour? Come on. That's too fast. They are putting us in danger. Can't they just wait until there is a real threat, save the fuel, and just jump in the jet when its time to go drop some bombs and then fly real fast? It scares the #$%& out of me to here a sonic boom coming up from behind me while making a cut. I can't say any more. Please, USAF, fire a warning shot so I know your coming. After all, we do share the same airspace. As climbers, maybe we should begin filing flight plans prior to our climbs. Yeah, that would solve it.
There is a work pace that is considered "safe" and one that is "unsafe". Sometimes one needs to push their comfort zone to get "safe" not fast.
The climbing competitions are not just about "speed". Not at all. Its primarily about finess. There is a time "limit" which is reasonable for the events. The competitors don't show up and miraculously climb 3 times as fast as they normally do. I have never witnessed that.
They show up and do what they do. That's how it works. You climb that way at work, you get more done, under safe methodology. You show up, you compete. You compare yourself to other climbers, you learn new skills, like how to get a throwball maneuvered into a crotch. That's finess. Not necessarily careless abandonment of safety in the name of speed.
I see more safety at competitions than I witness with most non-competitive climbers. Why? Because they haven't had to lose all the points of an event for have their safety glasses fall off, or having their hand saw fall out of their sheath. Imagine what could happen if that saw fell on you? What if it was a power saw? I have seen that happen several times.....due to improperly securing the lanierd.
Arbormaster training is something that you may want to pursue, and then to push yourself to a new level of climbing start competing. This is when a higher level of the self-awareness really takes place. You got no choice.
Plus, if you have a competitive spirit, then it satisfies that. It is called the "tree climbing competition" isn't it? It isn't the "tree climbers picnic" although the food is usually there also.
Hopefully we will see you out at the next competition Frans. I recommend it. Bring a chair and some sun block, sponsor a couple of your climbers and go have fun. That's what its all about.
Frans, I know your post was sarcasm. Here is are some non-sarcastic reasons to participate however, so that those that don't realize your sarcasm can take away some good stuff. (you never know who is reading, there are a lot of non-professional viewers). Therefore, unambiguity is important.
Let me begin:
ahhemm..........
....pause.........
International Arborist Community:
Lets rally here and come up with some good reasons why a climbing competition should continue.
I will speak from my personal experience:
In a tree, time is not always something that we have an unlimited supply of.
ie: Being tied in at 100+ feet and having abrupt storm development create a need for a quick descent and break down of gear.
ie: having an injured climber that needs to be rescued as quickly as possible.
ie: having a dinner date at 7pm, and its 5:00, and you want to "get er done....but safely....while the home owners watch from the road" and you still have a couple massive leads to lower out before driving the chipper truck home.
ie: having only so much energy in a day to "burn" and take in, and wanting to work as efficiently and quickly as is possible under safe methods.
ie: a need for safe work practices to be learned and employed at all times, under the watchful eye of a panel of judges that will disqualify the climber if unsafe practices are employed.
Climbing competitions have only made me a safer climber. A better climber. A more aware climber. A more knowledgeable climber because I am sharing my methods with other progressive climbers in competition.
Climbing in competitions also helps the climber overcome a sense of "peer pressure" that is mentioned in the argument against climbing competitions. Peer pressure is all in the imagination. Are your peers really pressuring you? I disagree. I get support from the competitors in all the climbing competitions I have participated in. I get support from the crowd that gathers out of interest in the events. This "pressure" that you term is not unlike the "pressure" that can also be felt when actually performing on a job, when just as much is at stake. As far as I am concerned, it's all the same.
Usually the local community gathers out of interest. Nobody is there to see anybody fall out of a tree. They don't leave unsatisfied if there are no casualties. I personally haven't witnessed any casualties in the yearly competitions I have attended since 2001.
I haven't even heard of any injuries. I don't ask about them either. I don't dwell on that. I have heard about a lot more casualties from bad judgement and unsafe work practices out in the work place however. Accidents that could have been preventable if a climber may have practiced under a bit of pressure in order to prepare for a situation that called for a bit more speed than what he/she may normally operate under.
I look at the climbing competitions as training. Just like in the work place, you do not want to go beyond your capabilities. That's bad judgement. You want to push your capabilities to new levels. What other place to do it than under the safety of a controlled environment such as an ISA sponsored tree climbing championship.
Do you offer a better alternative at a reasonable fee? Please let everyone know so that we can sign up.
I don't see anyone at the climbing competitions that doesn't belong there. It's because the trees don't lie. They only tell the truth. The climbers that show up have a good respect for gravity, the tree, and self. They usually show up in one piece, and leave a bit more intact somehow. I can say that from my personal experience.
Climbing at a competitive level is something that I was guided to from an inner compass. I didn't do it until I was ready. It's a personal choice. Nobody is making anyone compete.
I must ask you Frans, if you have ever competed before? You don't get punished for coming in last place. Sometimes you even get a prize if its your first time. There is a lot of support there. A lot of comradery.
You posting doesn't sound to be from first hand experience. Re-think this philosophy.
Do fireman need to speed around the city in training runs all the time? Why do they do that! It's dangerous to the community. Why don't they just wait for a fire before having to go so fast in there trucks. Everything was safer and quieter when they were in their fire station playing poker and washing their trucks.
Do police officers need to fire so many shots at the firing range in rapid succession? I mean, really? It's so loud, wastes so many bullets. Smells up the air, its really dangerous to them. Their are accidents in the firing range where bullet casing burn people and guns backfire. People lose there hearing. How often do they have to unload a mag, and re-load and unload another in less than a minute with accuracy?
How about the military! Damn. Could they just stop buzzing me with fighter jets when I am peacefully pruning out a canopy! Nothing like a little afterburner residue to seal up all the pruning cuts! Plus, its unsafe. Do they have to practice bombing runs in Downtown Atlanta? Can't they fly a little slower? I mean, 700 miles an hour? Come on. That's too fast. They are putting us in danger. Can't they just wait until there is a real threat, save the fuel, and just jump in the jet when its time to go drop some bombs and then fly real fast? It scares the #$%& out of me to here a sonic boom coming up from behind me while making a cut. I can't say any more. Please, USAF, fire a warning shot so I know your coming. After all, we do share the same airspace. As climbers, maybe we should begin filing flight plans prior to our climbs. Yeah, that would solve it.
There is a work pace that is considered "safe" and one that is "unsafe". Sometimes one needs to push their comfort zone to get "safe" not fast.
The climbing competitions are not just about "speed". Not at all. Its primarily about finess. There is a time "limit" which is reasonable for the events. The competitors don't show up and miraculously climb 3 times as fast as they normally do. I have never witnessed that.
They show up and do what they do. That's how it works. You climb that way at work, you get more done, under safe methodology. You show up, you compete. You compare yourself to other climbers, you learn new skills, like how to get a throwball maneuvered into a crotch. That's finess. Not necessarily careless abandonment of safety in the name of speed.
I see more safety at competitions than I witness with most non-competitive climbers. Why? Because they haven't had to lose all the points of an event for have their safety glasses fall off, or having their hand saw fall out of their sheath. Imagine what could happen if that saw fell on you? What if it was a power saw? I have seen that happen several times.....due to improperly securing the lanierd.
Arbormaster training is something that you may want to pursue, and then to push yourself to a new level of climbing start competing. This is when a higher level of the self-awareness really takes place. You got no choice.
Plus, if you have a competitive spirit, then it satisfies that. It is called the "tree climbing competition" isn't it? It isn't the "tree climbers picnic" although the food is usually there also.
Hopefully we will see you out at the next competition Frans. I recommend it. Bring a chair and some sun block, sponsor a couple of your climbers and go have fun. That's what its all about.
- Location
- New England (NH)
Re: The benefits of the ISA climbing competition
Thank you TrEEcoWbOy! That is a great post. I hope everyone reads it more than once and takes it to Heart. That's passion.
Thank you TrEEcoWbOy! That is a great post. I hope everyone reads it more than once and takes it to Heart. That's passion.
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