Cut my knee cutting a stump.

Glad it wasn't any worse, Josh!




It's funny to me for someone in Canada to say the heat argument is lame, but I have no desire to debate the viability of various PPE.

FWIW, 95F/35C and 100% humidity is a heat index of 161*F/72*C... not a very likely circumstance. To my knowledge I've never worked in the red portion of the chart, but the orange is fairly common in the summer. View attachment 34709

Because we live in igloos and it snows year round? In southern Ontario where I'm from we get 35C regularly in the summer,with 90% humidity. I've never gone to work without my saw pants on. Sometimes chaps instead of full coverage, but always protect my legs.
 
Because we live in igloos and it snows year round? In southern Ontario where I'm from we get 35C regularly in the summer,with 90% humidity. I've never gone to work without my saw pants on. Sometimes chaps instead of full coverage, but always protect my legs.

Hey man, no offense but, Ima have to do some checkin' on those numbers. That's pretty damn humid. We get 90% humidity sometimes but normally like right after an afternoon rain shower or something. On average of say we stay in the 50-70 % range.
This past summer I went to Panama City FL to cut a tree down for my
Wife's cousin. It was 89 with 70% humidity. Here in Central AL it was about 91f with about 60% humidity. I tried to work like I do here and I about had a heat stroke. I got sick and woozy and had to sit the rest of the day; my body temp was up to 101. Now, I don't how all this works all the time but, it surprised me how much differently my body reacted down there.
Now, it may get hot as hell up there too. Never been up that way. I've been to PA in the summer(it was pretty humid there too) and I've been to Yellowstone( 90 degrees up there feels a lot different than 90 down here). I'm just a little skeptical that's all. Also, Drewtree, how in the HELL do yall keep your igloos from melting in 35c degree weather????
 
You arguing heat is like me arguing snow while living in Mississippi. Sure, we have snow from time to time, but it hardly makes me an authority on the matter. I would wager you've never seen 35*C at 90% humidity in Canada, that's literally "off the chart" with a heat index of 147*F/64*C.


Wear chaps/pants if it suits you, nothing wrong with that.
 
From there so I can confirm Southern Ontario is humid as f**k.

Toronto Relative Humidity

The relative humidity typically ranges from 43% (comfortable) to 94% (very humid) over the course of the year, rarely dropping below 25% (dry) and reaching as high as 99% (very humid).

The air is driest around April 26, at which time the relative humidity drops below 54% (mildly humid) three days out of four; it is most humid around September 29, exceeding 92% (very humid) three days out of four.
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From there so I can confirm Southern Ontario is humid as f**k.

Toronto Relative Humidity

The relative humidity typically ranges from 43% (comfortable) to 94% (very humid) over the course of the year, rarely dropping below 25% (dry) and reaching as high as 99% (very humid).

The air is driest around April 26, at which time the relative humidity drops below 54% (mildly humid) three days out of four; it is most humid around September 29, exceeding 92% (very humid) three days out of four.
View attachment 34724
What's the blue line and what's the Orange line? Is that daytime and nighttime levels or something?
 
so 90% ish humidity will be in the early morning hours when the dew is on the ground and what not....generally not during the afternoon hours at high temp levels. According to this chart, from the middle of may to the end of August the levels are between 50 and 60% and to just over 60% by the beginning of September.
With that said, if you actually look at the map, southern Ontario goes further south than I would have thought. I Never really paid that much attention o that aspect of the location. So I don't know. I'll call yall in July/ August. Maybe I'll take a trip up there

But seriously where'd u get that humidity data from? Is it a searchable worldwide database?
 
I'm in NJ and have seen summer temps approach 100ºF. I wear chainsaw pants, Francital, Pfanners, SIPs, long sleeves, helmet, gloves, etc. I drink a load of water and electrolyte replacement drinks. Monitor your body and you'll know when to cool off. Simple as deep breathing, running water over your head, etc... I find the pants much more comfortable than chaps. I'll drag out the fireman eg. Do they not wear full gear when firefighting where you are JoshR?

But really the issue is lax attitude, be it justifying not wearing protection or running a saw that is in a state of disrepair. Do the saws not get checked out daily and taken out of service for something as serious as that? Did the boss say it was ok? Well, he just told you what he thought your safety and wellbeing mean to him. Do you have family? If so, then he also made it pretty damn clear that he cares less about them too. It sucks what happened to you but it was a warning to you to get your head in the game in all respects. Tools not functioning properly, take it out of service. Either it gets fixed ASAP or have a replacement unit. The longer you'll run with it like that the longer it'll take to get that part.

This is a job fraught with danger that only becomes dangerous when workers become lax in their attitudes.
 
What is that noise coming from this chainsaw??? Sounds like somebody put high-heeled shoes on a cat and threw it in a metal trashcan with a possum!
Oh, that... just a little piston slap...
A little piston slap? Sounds like a 300 pound Toledo hooker being pimp slapped in a bathtub!
Just keep the RPM's up... it'll be alright...
Why is this pair of visegrip pliers jammed in here like that?
Don't mess with that... it's the chain adjuster...
How old is this saw, anyway?
Oh, about six months old...
And it's a fuggin' Poulan, too!

Uh-huh. Yup. I know the boss you're talking about, treehumper... or one just like him, anyway.
 
running a saw that is in a state of disrepair. Do the saws not get checked out daily and taken out of service for something as serious as that? Did the boss say it was ok? Well, he just told you what he thought your safety and wellbeing mean to him. Do you have family? If so, then he also made it pretty damn clear that he cares less about them too. It sucks what happened to you but it was a warning to you to get your head in the game in all respects. Tools not functioning properly, take it out of service. Either it gets fixed ASAP or have a replacement unit. The longer you'll run with it like that the longer it'll take to get that part
Yeah I'm surprised no one else brought that up. Sounds like some bull crap. Fixing a chain brake is easy as tying your shoes.
 
so 90% ish humidity will be in the early morning hours when the dew is on the ground and what not....generally not during the afternoon hours at high temp levels. According to this chart, from the middle of may to the end of August the levels are between 50 and 60% and to just over 60% by the beginning of September.
With that said, if you actually look at the map, southern Ontario goes further south than I would have thought. I Never really paid that much attention o that aspect of the location. So I don't know. I'll call yall in July/ August. Maybe I'll take a trip up there

But seriously where'd u get that humidity data from? Is it a searchable worldwide database?

Humidity levels rise as the day gets hotter, usually we get the highest humidity around mid day to early afternoon.
 
so 90% ish humidity will be in the early morning hours when the dew is on the ground and what not....generally not during the afternoon hours at high temp levels. According to this chart, from the middle of may to the end of August the levels are between 50 and 60% and to just over 60% by the beginning of September.
With that said, if you actually look at the map, southern Ontario goes further south than I would have thought. I Never really paid that much attention o that aspect of the location. So I don't know. I'll call yall in July/ August. Maybe I'll take a trip up there

But seriously where'd u get that humidity data from? Is it a searchable worldwide database?

Come on up here in the summer, Toronto is a beautiful city to be in when its hot like that. Right by the lake, take a boat out to the island and go for a swim in 35 degree heat..
 
I'm in NJ and have seen summer temps approach 100ºF. I wear chainsaw pants, Francital, Pfanners, SIPs, long sleeves, helmet, gloves, etc. I drink a load of water and electrolyte replacement drinks. Monitor your body and you'll know when to cool off. Simple as deep breathing, running water over your head, etc... I find the pants much more comfortable than chaps. I'll drag out the fireman eg. Do they not wear full gear when firefighting where you are JoshR?

But really the issue is lax attitude, be it justifying not wearing protection or running a saw that is in a state of disrepair. Do the saws not get checked out daily and taken out of service for something as serious as that? Did the boss say it was ok? Well, he just told you what he thought your safety and wellbeing mean to him. Do you have family? If so, then he also made it pretty damn clear that he cares less about them too. It sucks what happened to you but it was a warning to you to get your head in the game in all respects. Tools not functioning properly, take it out of service. Either it gets fixed ASAP or have a replacement unit. The longer you'll run with it like that the longer it'll take to get that part.

This is a job fraught with danger that only becomes dangerous when workers become lax in their attitudes.

First of all, i really want to reiterate that I was fortunate that this wasn't worse than it turned out. I could have cut a ligament or it could have knicked the bone, ya know, something way worse.

In this situation, the laxadiazical attitude that was the cause of the problem was directly tied to how I was operating the saw. Whether I had on chaps or not, made no difference on the kickback. I wasn't running with full attention and awareness. That is the main cause of the incident. Lesson learned. Secondly, if I had on chaps, I wouldn't have cut my leg. So do I now wish I had them on? Would have been nice. Will I wear them from now on? Yes. But that doesnt change the fact that I don't LIKE wearing them. As a precaution, Yeah I'll wear them.

Ever since I started out in tree work (about 6 years) for the 4 companies in my town that I have worked for, no one has ever made wearing chaps a point. I barley cut myself once early on( no stitches and I didn't even know about them then) and this is the only other cut I've had. So before this cut, it hasn't been a big enough deal to me because I'm generally very careful with the saw.

I brought up the heat because that's main reason With this job that I didn't want to wear them. I have a skin disorder and when my (cotton) clothes get saturated in sweat and I work in them all day, the psoriasis break out and eventually get so raw they bleed and can be painful at home even when I lay down to go to bed. That problem got better by switching to polyester because it's light and doesn't rub as bad, but I'm worried how it's gonna be with chaps.
I guess I'll find out this summer.

as far as my boss goes...you guys got him wrong. He's not in any way the type of person you are trying to describe. Generally he stays on top of things, making sure equipment runs right and all that good stuff. don't ask me why he hasn't made fixing that break a bigger priority. I don't know. But, I imagine that if u met him you wouldn't walk away with impression that he's "that guy"
 
Come on up here in the summer, Toronto is a beautiful city to be in when its hot like that. Right by the lake, take a boat out to the island and go for a swim in 35 degree heat..
Maybe I'll talk the wife into it one day. The first time I say Canada she's gonna be thinking igloos :)
 
I brought up the heat because that's main reason With this job that I didn't want to wear them. I have a skin disorder and when my (cotton) clothes get saturated in sweat and I work in them all day, the psoriasis break out and eventually get so raw they bleed and can be painful at home even when I lay down to go to bed. That problem got better by switching to polyester because it's light and doesn't rub as bad, but I'm worried how it's gonna be with chaps.
I guess I'll find out this summer.

Check out this stuff... Some friends made a business out of this. They originally came up with it because one of their kids had some horrible skin issues..
http://thefayfarm.com/products/healing-hemp-salve-15oz
 
Check out this stuff... Some friends made a business out of this. They originally came up with it because one of their kids had some horrible skin issues..
http://thefayfarm.com/products/healing-hemp-salve-15oz
Looks cool. I'll give it a try. One thing about it though is psoriasis is cause by over active skin cell reproduction in the effected areas. The description of the product mentions the effectiveness of cell regeneration. Off the top it seems like it could be counter productive, but I've never tried any hemp creams before so who knows. Thanks man.
 
I figure if it doesn't work, you can smoke it and forget all about the seborrheic dermatitis... turn on some old TV Classics reruns and try to figure out if Lassie can save little Jimmy, who fell down the well over at the old Miller place...
 

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