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Our thoughts and prayers to all the families suffering with this horrific tragedy. Please also remember the first responders, police, and investigators who will never forget what they have had to see as part of their job.
CT Tragedy
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flyingsquirrel25
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- South East, PA
Well said. Unfortunatly this tragedy is far from over, because all those involved with relive that day for years to come.
boreality
New member
- Location
- boreal forest
Physical injuries are easily understood. Mental illness is almost impossible to explain. It can be the grumpy old man at the grocery store or the kid that can't stop hurting small animals. Or the school killer. Or or or..
With modern medicine they can show pictures of a brain suffering mental illness and explain it as a physical injury instead of a brain thing which is a step up from demon possesion.
Why don't these idiots just kill themselves? Why take innocent kids with them? It's because their thoughts are scrambled. They look healthy, they act healthy, no one knows their internal conversations with themselves not even themselves.
The OJ Simpson case is a good one. Forget the US legal system part. All American football hero. Did some crazy chit. At the time I thought he was a joke, a fool, a sick dangerous animal. It's starting to look like too many concussions from football may of caused the actions. That's just my guess as the research is ongoing. Crossed wiring, hormones off balance, the data is still coming in. Medical professionals are still trying to understand it. But it is real to those suffering from it.
I'll bet if that kid had gone to work and hauled branches and blocks every day, got some fresh air and sunshine the killings could of just been a passing evil thought like most of us have. Not to that extreme but say the customer who trys to con you with some bs. Initially I'd like to leave him duct taped to his tree naked. Then I chuckle at the thought and move on.
With modern medicine they can show pictures of a brain suffering mental illness and explain it as a physical injury instead of a brain thing which is a step up from demon possesion.
Why don't these idiots just kill themselves? Why take innocent kids with them? It's because their thoughts are scrambled. They look healthy, they act healthy, no one knows their internal conversations with themselves not even themselves.
The OJ Simpson case is a good one. Forget the US legal system part. All American football hero. Did some crazy chit. At the time I thought he was a joke, a fool, a sick dangerous animal. It's starting to look like too many concussions from football may of caused the actions. That's just my guess as the research is ongoing. Crossed wiring, hormones off balance, the data is still coming in. Medical professionals are still trying to understand it. But it is real to those suffering from it.
I'll bet if that kid had gone to work and hauled branches and blocks every day, got some fresh air and sunshine the killings could of just been a passing evil thought like most of us have. Not to that extreme but say the customer who trys to con you with some bs. Initially I'd like to leave him duct taped to his tree naked. Then I chuckle at the thought and move on.
easyphloem
Branched out member
- Location
- Louisville, KY
61 mass shootings (4 or more killed at one time) in the last 30 year's in the US. 11 of them at schools.
Wtf.
SZ
Wtf.
SZ
- Location
- north bay ontario, Canada
It's crazy, we are living in a messed up world!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2tIeRUbRHw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
After the Virginia Tech shootings I sat in on an FBI interview of 1 of my friends who is the only survivor from his classroom. It was worse than anything I can imagine. This video is a way to help people not live in fear but to be prepared.
After the Virginia Tech shootings I sat in on an FBI interview of 1 of my friends who is the only survivor from his classroom. It was worse than anything I can imagine. This video is a way to help people not live in fear but to be prepared.
TC
Participating member
We had the Dunblane massacre here in Scotland in 1996 in which 16 five year olds were shot dead in their classroom along with their teacher.
The shooter - Thomas Hamilton walked into the Dunblane Primary School armed with two 9 mm Browning pistols and two Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolvers, all legally held. He was carrying 743 cartridges, and fired his weapons 109 times. The subsequent police investigation revealed that Hamilton had loaded the magazines for his Browning with an alternating combination of full-metal-jacket and hollow-point ammunition.
Public debate subsequent to these events centred on gun-control laws, including media-driven public petitions calling for a ban on private ownership of handguns and an official enquiry, the Cullen Report. In response to this debate, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 and the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 were enacted, which effectively made private ownership of handguns illegal in the United Kingdom.
Will something like this happen in the US? Probably not.
The shooter - Thomas Hamilton walked into the Dunblane Primary School armed with two 9 mm Browning pistols and two Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolvers, all legally held. He was carrying 743 cartridges, and fired his weapons 109 times. The subsequent police investigation revealed that Hamilton had loaded the magazines for his Browning with an alternating combination of full-metal-jacket and hollow-point ammunition.
Public debate subsequent to these events centred on gun-control laws, including media-driven public petitions calling for a ban on private ownership of handguns and an official enquiry, the Cullen Report. In response to this debate, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 and the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 were enacted, which effectively made private ownership of handguns illegal in the United Kingdom.
Will something like this happen in the US? Probably not.
- Location
- Tonimbuk, Victoria, Australia
No place in the world is immune to mental health issues. Some may have more pressures than others but throughout history there has always been those with the potential to do commit the unthinkable.
In 1996 in Tasmania Australia 35 people physically vanished from the face of the earth at the hands of a madman, the innocent live on in our hearts as these innocent soles do. My heart goes out to all those affected by this tragedy, the repercussions of such a vile and untenable act will be wide spread requiring endless support to all the victims.
My heart is truly with you folks in the US. RIP
In 1996 in Tasmania Australia 35 people physically vanished from the face of the earth at the hands of a madman, the innocent live on in our hearts as these innocent soles do. My heart goes out to all those affected by this tragedy, the repercussions of such a vile and untenable act will be wide spread requiring endless support to all the victims.
My heart is truly with you folks in the US. RIP
- Location
- Gibsons BC
To me the worst thing about this tragedy aside from the killings themselves is the grief mongering media. Interviewing children after they've lost their peers, photos of parents who've lost their little ones, teachers etc. None of it is at all necessary to report the story yet it seems the restraint to publish such terribly raw photos of fresh grief is gone.
If any good could come of such an event, let's hope (as Obama put it) some 'meaningful action' is taken to reduce these events. If the 'gun culture' America were to lose some of it's strength, power and place I would think it would pave the way for some good legislation to change the type of guns available as well as the ease of access. The power of the idea to shoot up a place will always exist for some of the deranged among us, yet if the twisted glory of that act and the ease of committing it is reduced there will be less innocents die.
If any good could come of such an event, let's hope (as Obama put it) some 'meaningful action' is taken to reduce these events. If the 'gun culture' America were to lose some of it's strength, power and place I would think it would pave the way for some good legislation to change the type of guns available as well as the ease of access. The power of the idea to shoot up a place will always exist for some of the deranged among us, yet if the twisted glory of that act and the ease of committing it is reduced there will be less innocents die.
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No place in the world is immune to mental health issues. Some may have more pressures than others but throughout history there has always been those with the potential to do commit the unthinkable.
In 1996 in Tasmania Australia 35 people physically vanished from the face of the earth at the hands of a madman, the innocent live on in our hearts as these innocent soles do. My heart goes out to all those affected by this tragedy, the repercussions of such a vile and untenable act will be wide spread requiring endless support to all the victims.
My heart is truly with you folks in the US. RIP
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Very well said Tony......
No place in the world is immune to mental health issues. Some may have more pressures than others but throughout history there has always been those with the potential to do commit the unthinkable.
In 1996 in Tasmania Australia 35 people physically vanished from the face of the earth at the hands of a madman, the innocent live on in our hearts as these innocent soles do. My heart goes out to all those affected by this tragedy, the repercussions of such a vile and untenable act will be wide spread requiring endless support to all the victims.
My heart is truly with you folks in the US. RIP
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Very well said Tony......
- Location
- Bend, Oregon
Very, very sad. Not many ways to express how fuucked up this is...
Great post Gord, gun culture is a great way to put it.
Great post Gord, gun culture is a great way to put it.
The world won't be considerate and social enough for another 75,000 years as my English Lit teacher used to say. Based on my knowledge and own experiences with reality since then I can finally agree with him.
The reality is that human thoughts aren't totally social, and they want things. This is why there are mean, lawful punishments for crimes; crimes which are essentially anti-social and greedy. The laws don't mitigate the crimes. Punishment mitigates crimes. Laws are just more thoughts.
If there were no punishment for crimes, crime would be much more economically feasible in the minds of the public. Because of lawful punishment for crimes, the economical feasibility of anit-social and greedy livelihoods is slimmed down to a very narrow margin compared to what it could be. If the punishment for it is taken out of the picture, the world is gonna get really ugly.
Gun control means no more punishment.
If the US borders didn't have the largest gun closet ready to rip at all times of the day, the US borders would be sacked. This land is rich. There are great farm lands, very few poisonous bugs, poisonous animals, or diseases. The weather is not to northernly, and not to southernly. And so forth. It's the punishment for that grand larceny on a national scale that prevents that land grab from being set into action and completed. Temptation itches people in other borders even to this day.
On the international level there's punishment for trying to take the land, lives etc, and on the domestic level inside the borders there has to be a punishment for trying to take the lives, property etc.
If you take the US military out of the picture, somebody is coming here to take everything away for strategic purposes and for sport and game. And they will be popular and famous as Alexander the Great and Genghis Kahn forever. And if you take away the public's ability to arm themselves besides the law enforcement, there's no risk for roaming the land and raising hell or causing mayhem.
These are facts of reality, and it's centered on the human thought factory; the brain. Thought can't be controlled by law. You can't just go telling other national entities we got this land, so they gotta stay put. Force controls thoughts not 100%, but much more than no force at all.
A naive law that says we can't have arms is just like yelling out the bank windows, "It's all yours. Come and get it." And it will be taken.
Armed professionals deter crime, and it gives somebody a life that they may not otherwise have without that professional occupation. And churches etc influence social behavior which spreads through out the community. This will mitigate the anti-social/greedy thought phenomenon which is a reality. It's a reality like the cold and dark reality just outside the sill of the world's atmosphere wanting to come in, or like the reality of the light phenomenon that get's in to warm each day.
No one can get rid of dark and cold, and no one can get rid of light. Nobody can get rid of the thoughts such as the CT killer's thoughts. Nobody can. That's not in the cards, and it never has been.
Think about the facts. Protection from too much hot or cold weather is possible with the right tools. That's right. The same is true of protection from the anti-social thoughts which result in heinous actions.
Saying there's a gun law in the books is not enough to deter gruesome thinking and plotting. That's like holding a spotlight over your head in the desert to stay cool, or a bag of ice in your coat in Antarctica to stay warm. The thought of a law doesn't deter the thought that go into a plan such as the CT killer's. 3-5 armed professionals on the young people's school premises would deter those thoughts before they escalate into plans, and before those plans take place.
That's my 3 or 4 cents about it.
The reality is that human thoughts aren't totally social, and they want things. This is why there are mean, lawful punishments for crimes; crimes which are essentially anti-social and greedy. The laws don't mitigate the crimes. Punishment mitigates crimes. Laws are just more thoughts.
If there were no punishment for crimes, crime would be much more economically feasible in the minds of the public. Because of lawful punishment for crimes, the economical feasibility of anit-social and greedy livelihoods is slimmed down to a very narrow margin compared to what it could be. If the punishment for it is taken out of the picture, the world is gonna get really ugly.
Gun control means no more punishment.
If the US borders didn't have the largest gun closet ready to rip at all times of the day, the US borders would be sacked. This land is rich. There are great farm lands, very few poisonous bugs, poisonous animals, or diseases. The weather is not to northernly, and not to southernly. And so forth. It's the punishment for that grand larceny on a national scale that prevents that land grab from being set into action and completed. Temptation itches people in other borders even to this day.
On the international level there's punishment for trying to take the land, lives etc, and on the domestic level inside the borders there has to be a punishment for trying to take the lives, property etc.
If you take the US military out of the picture, somebody is coming here to take everything away for strategic purposes and for sport and game. And they will be popular and famous as Alexander the Great and Genghis Kahn forever. And if you take away the public's ability to arm themselves besides the law enforcement, there's no risk for roaming the land and raising hell or causing mayhem.
These are facts of reality, and it's centered on the human thought factory; the brain. Thought can't be controlled by law. You can't just go telling other national entities we got this land, so they gotta stay put. Force controls thoughts not 100%, but much more than no force at all.
A naive law that says we can't have arms is just like yelling out the bank windows, "It's all yours. Come and get it." And it will be taken.
Armed professionals deter crime, and it gives somebody a life that they may not otherwise have without that professional occupation. And churches etc influence social behavior which spreads through out the community. This will mitigate the anti-social/greedy thought phenomenon which is a reality. It's a reality like the cold and dark reality just outside the sill of the world's atmosphere wanting to come in, or like the reality of the light phenomenon that get's in to warm each day.
No one can get rid of dark and cold, and no one can get rid of light. Nobody can get rid of the thoughts such as the CT killer's thoughts. Nobody can. That's not in the cards, and it never has been.
Think about the facts. Protection from too much hot or cold weather is possible with the right tools. That's right. The same is true of protection from the anti-social thoughts which result in heinous actions.
Saying there's a gun law in the books is not enough to deter gruesome thinking and plotting. That's like holding a spotlight over your head in the desert to stay cool, or a bag of ice in your coat in Antarctica to stay warm. The thought of a law doesn't deter the thought that go into a plan such as the CT killer's. 3-5 armed professionals on the young people's school premises would deter those thoughts before they escalate into plans, and before those plans take place.
That's my 3 or 4 cents about it.
US of A
My heart goes out ,this is bad!
You have your rights.....but your gun laws neede to change
It is so sickening to hear of these mass fatalities gun shootings,especially when you dont fix the obvious problem .
Your love of guns is your problem.
Guns need to be a lot harder to attain and untill you address this you will be looked apon as uneducated deuchs who need guns cause of some ancient law that gives you rights to own a gun.
You were once considered the worlds leader but that is long time history.
Give up the guns!
My heart goes out ,this is bad!
You have your rights.....but your gun laws neede to change
It is so sickening to hear of these mass fatalities gun shootings,especially when you dont fix the obvious problem .
Your love of guns is your problem.
Guns need to be a lot harder to attain and untill you address this you will be looked apon as uneducated deuchs who need guns cause of some ancient law that gives you rights to own a gun.
You were once considered the worlds leader but that is long time history.
Give up the guns!
- Location
- Tonimbuk, Victoria, Australia
This thread is quickly turning into a debate on the gun lobby, gun culture and firearms ownership.
Can I suggest we start another thread to debate the issue of violence at the hand of armed individuals and leave this thread for messages of condolence and the expression of sympathy.
Discussion, debate on gun culture.
Can I suggest we start another thread to debate the issue of violence at the hand of armed individuals and leave this thread for messages of condolence and the expression of sympathy.
Discussion, debate on gun culture.
Daniel
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Suburban Philadelphia (Wayne)
A nice sentiment Gord,
perhaps there is another monster lurking here.. not the guns... but the DRUGS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-7aNPf33A&feature=player_embedded
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To me the worst thing about this tragedy aside from the killings themselves is the grief mongering media. Interviewing children after they've lost their peers, photos of parents who've lost their little ones, teachers etc. None of it is at all necessary to report the story yet it seems the restraint to publish such terribly raw photos of fresh grief is gone.
If any good could come of such an event, let's hope (as Obama put it) some 'meaningful action' is taken to reduce these events. If the 'gun culture' America were to lose some of it's strength, power and place I would think it would pave the way for some good legislation to change the type of guns available as well as the ease of access. The power of the idea to shoot up a place will always exist for some of the deranged among us, yet if the twisted glory of that act and the ease of committing it is reduced there will be less innocents die.
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perhaps there is another monster lurking here.. not the guns... but the DRUGS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-7aNPf33A&feature=player_embedded
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To me the worst thing about this tragedy aside from the killings themselves is the grief mongering media. Interviewing children after they've lost their peers, photos of parents who've lost their little ones, teachers etc. None of it is at all necessary to report the story yet it seems the restraint to publish such terribly raw photos of fresh grief is gone.
If any good could come of such an event, let's hope (as Obama put it) some 'meaningful action' is taken to reduce these events. If the 'gun culture' America were to lose some of it's strength, power and place I would think it would pave the way for some good legislation to change the type of guns available as well as the ease of access. The power of the idea to shoot up a place will always exist for some of the deranged among us, yet if the twisted glory of that act and the ease of committing it is reduced there will be less innocents die.
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The whole thing is just sickening. I can't imagine what those parents are going through.
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