Covid Close To You

Daniel said:
what makes you trust that anymore than you trusted the science when the experts said two weeks to flatten the curve or there is no way this could have come fromm a lab. two retracted articles from the Lancet later and as clear a trail to follow the money as there has ever been.

Your faith in big pharma propaganda is surprising given your otherwise independent lifestyle
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This has nothing to do with my trust or lack of trust in big pharma. This is about citing flawed studies as proof as to the efficacy of ivermectin in fighting covid. Your link cited the well known and now retracted Egyptian study by Ahmed Elgazzar at Benha University. This study contained plagiarism and data manipulation, duplicate patient records, and inconsistencies between the raw data and the information in the paper. Hell, they included patients who had died before the start date of the study. Pure rubbish!
 
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If you want an insider whistleblower's perspective on how the system is rigged for big pharma at the expense of human health give this a listen.
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She died at age 44 of “natural causes”. Not as healthy apparently as she had lead on. I heard a lot of blaming, and fear mongering, some of which I 100% agree with, but she had no solutions….. other than to donate to her “not for profit”.
 


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There is no question that Ivermectin has strong antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties. Anyone telling you different is either ignorant or lying. Most of the research on it is currently hidden behind pay walls or just plain hidden by search engines.
I have read dozens upon dozens of articles like the one linked.

You need to understand that unless it can be changed sufficiently enough to be repatented it will never get approved for use. For us to disregard critical care doctors' use of it would be as ill-advised as homeowners giving us climbing and rigging advice.


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DSMc said:
There is no question that Ivermectin has strong antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties. Anyone telling you different is either ignorant or lying. Most of the research on it is currently hidden behind pay walls or just plain hidden by search engines.
I have read dozens upon dozens of articles like the one linked.

You need to understand that unless it can be changed sufficiently enough to be repatented it will never get approved for use. For us to disregard critical care doctors' use of it would be as ill-advised as homeowners giving us climbing and rigging advice.


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The problems is that folks are linking articles which are citing and sourcing multiple flawed studies.
 
How long should we wear masks, Kevin? When will there not be a time that little Susie or Jimmy will be free of the guilt that they may have killed granny? Do you know that there are some 3 and 4 year-olds that don't even know what their playmates look like without a mask? Do you understand the need for the constant and natural exposure to pathogens for our immunological development and its ability to respond appropriately? Is the health advise and standards we are being given making us healthier?
 
i hardly ever wear a mask. have not much through this whole thing. certain rare situations absolutely. I also dont take ivermectin. id wear a mask long before horse dewormer. but dewormer might be worth a shot in certain situations. vaccine seems easier, more efficient on my end and more effective.
I know masks work and have been used for a long time. not a matter "how long will we use them" They will be a tool forever and have been forever as far as I know. And, they have gotten much better over the last 50 years! Using them right is another matter. look to the japanese and taiwanese on that matter as they have more experience with hygiene and self and community care in crowded conditions. .

maybe keep track of the hospital capacity and stress level and virus level to make that decision. I absolutely think that the maskers are way over the top in their masking and thays because its become a political thing, like a political badge. as opposed to a common sense thing. and people have just escalated it. doesnt mean they shouldnt be a practical tool.
 
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ivermectin has the unintended side effect of making poop un compostible. this has been an environmental issue for years as it will also kill dung beetles and other decomposers. ive noticed this getting horse manure from the mounted police, that it weirdly doesnt break down. i can imagine that might be a problem for human waste as well.
 
I am not antivax at all. I have plenty of vaccines in me. However i am personally hesitant of the new messanger RNA vaccines as pretty much all of humanity is its testing ground right now.

My brother in law is fully vaxxed and going through covid right now for the second time while being fully protected both times. His best friend also died of the j and j vax, even written on his death certificate. Apparently the pharmaceudical companies are not liable. Be nice to have that as an arborist

Some people are simply looking for alternatives for at home treatment. I am not even saying ivermectin works always, or even at all

Example:

I know an older family friend who took medIcal grade ivm and monoclonal antibodies, and still got smashed and ended up in the hospital for 6 weeks (survived luckily as i love that man)

Here is the current vaers data through the cdc for the current covid vaccines:

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COVID Vaccine Data

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I just wish we could all have a nice open discussion without labeling people “antivax, pro ivm, blah blah”. My mind cannot be put into a box. I just want us all to get through this in any way possible. All options should be on the table.

And again we must all learn to love those we may disagree with. These are hard times and we need to stick together.
 
treebing said:
ivermectin has the unintended side effect of making poop un compostible. this has been an environmental issue for years as it will also kill dung beetles and other decomposers. ive noticed this getting horse manure from the mounted police, that it weirdly doesnt break down. i can imagine that might be a problem for human waste as well.
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Thats actually very interesting. My lady works on a small organic farm and uses ivm frequently We use llama poo for soil replenishment. Thanks for that interesting info kevin : )
 
Don't forget that the VAERS numbers do not imply causation and are almost the same as what would be expected with no vaccination, despite many claims made on social media. I don't think anyone is claiming the vaccines are completely risk free, but others are drawing unfounded conclusions.
 
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I just wish we could all have a nice open discussion without labeling people “antivax, pro ivm, blah blah”.
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So you spent the last few pages voicing your support for the use of Ivermectin in treating covid, and you posted a link to an article which used multiple faulty and fraudulent studies to support the idea of Ivermectin in treating covid. If the shoe fits, wear it...
 
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