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Compentency Exam for TCC Judges
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easyphloem
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- Louisville, KY
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I know, can you believe it?
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I know, can you believe it?
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- Altamonte Springs, FL
Oye vey!
Maybe it is already a rule, but then what do I know, but I have noticed several chapters handing out rule books to both judges and competitors the day of the event, kinda sad really. Possibly make the rules more easily accesable so that when a chair or whomever is made aware of a rule change for either side of the event, that chair (or local chapter, or whoever) can easily send a mass email to update the rule change. YES I know the rule books are available online, but right now there is 2009 online, 2010 is right around the corner.
Also I found it sad that certain chapters had judges show up the day of, shouldn't they be required to be available to set up the event they will judge?
But then I can also look at it from the other side....this is a volunteer thing, they aren't getting paid, their offices are either shut down, or functioning on a skeleton crew while they are away, so how is it fair to them to be asked to do more than volunteer to help out?!
Maybe it is already a rule, but then what do I know, but I have noticed several chapters handing out rule books to both judges and competitors the day of the event, kinda sad really. Possibly make the rules more easily accesable so that when a chair or whomever is made aware of a rule change for either side of the event, that chair (or local chapter, or whoever) can easily send a mass email to update the rule change. YES I know the rule books are available online, but right now there is 2009 online, 2010 is right around the corner.
Also I found it sad that certain chapters had judges show up the day of, shouldn't they be required to be available to set up the event they will judge?
But then I can also look at it from the other side....this is a volunteer thing, they aren't getting paid, their offices are either shut down, or functioning on a skeleton crew while they are away, so how is it fair to them to be asked to do more than volunteer to help out?!
Norm_Hall
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Oye vey!
Maybe it is already a rule, but then what do I know, but I have noticed several chapters handing out rule books to both judges and competitors the day of the event, kinda sad really. Possibly make the rules more easily accesable so that when a chair or whomever is made aware of a rule change for either side of the event, that chair (or local chapter, or whoever) can easily send a mass email to update the rule change. YES I know the rule books are available online, but right now there is 2009 online, 2010 is right around the corner.
Also I found it sad that certain chapters had judges show up the day of, shouldn't they be required to be available to set up the event they will judge?
But then I can also look at it from the other side....this is a volunteer thing, they aren't getting paid, their offices are either shut down, or functioning on a skeleton crew while they are away, so how is it fair to them to be asked to do more than volunteer to help out?!
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They are available to the public and have been for a number of years.
Go to: isa-arbor.com; click on "Enter the Website"; click on
"Tree Climbing Championship" (far right); click on "Rules" (Left); in the box on the left click on "Rules and Scoring"; click on "Rules and Regulations", The top Sentence reads something like "For rules in English, click here".
The link is below:
http://itcc.isa-arbor.com/rules-scoring/resources/2009Rules_Final.pdf
Oye vey!
Maybe it is already a rule, but then what do I know, but I have noticed several chapters handing out rule books to both judges and competitors the day of the event, kinda sad really. Possibly make the rules more easily accesable so that when a chair or whomever is made aware of a rule change for either side of the event, that chair (or local chapter, or whoever) can easily send a mass email to update the rule change. YES I know the rule books are available online, but right now there is 2009 online, 2010 is right around the corner.
Also I found it sad that certain chapters had judges show up the day of, shouldn't they be required to be available to set up the event they will judge?
But then I can also look at it from the other side....this is a volunteer thing, they aren't getting paid, their offices are either shut down, or functioning on a skeleton crew while they are away, so how is it fair to them to be asked to do more than volunteer to help out?!
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They are available to the public and have been for a number of years.
Go to: isa-arbor.com; click on "Enter the Website"; click on
"Tree Climbing Championship" (far right); click on "Rules" (Left); in the box on the left click on "Rules and Scoring"; click on "Rules and Regulations", The top Sentence reads something like "For rules in English, click here".
The link is below:
http://itcc.isa-arbor.com/rules-scoring/resources/2009Rules_Final.pdf
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- Altamonte Springs, FL
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They are available to the public and have been for a number of years.
Go to: isa-arbor.com; click on "Enter the Website"; click on
"Tree Climbing Championship" (far right); click on "Rules" (Left); in the box on the left click on "Rules and Scoring"; click on "Rules and Regulations", The top Sentence reads something like "For rules in English, click here".
The link is below:
http://itcc.isa-arbor.com/rules-scoring/resources/2009Rules_Final.pdf
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I am aware of that, just seems like fishing through alot for somebody who may or may not be internet savy. Seems there should be an easier way. And how many volunteers will bother going through all that on their own free will? Just my opinion, If it were easier to find, again just my opinion, take it as you will.
They are available to the public and have been for a number of years.
Go to: isa-arbor.com; click on "Enter the Website"; click on
"Tree Climbing Championship" (far right); click on "Rules" (Left); in the box on the left click on "Rules and Scoring"; click on "Rules and Regulations", The top Sentence reads something like "For rules in English, click here".
The link is below:
http://itcc.isa-arbor.com/rules-scoring/resources/2009Rules_Final.pdf
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I am aware of that, just seems like fishing through alot for somebody who may or may not be internet savy. Seems there should be an easier way. And how many volunteers will bother going through all that on their own free will? Just my opinion, If it were easier to find, again just my opinion, take it as you will.
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Maybe have ISA help in travel costs to those that are interested in helping who have "judged" at the International level.
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Now there's an idea!!
Maybe have ISA help in travel costs to those that are interested in helping who have "judged" at the International level.
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Now there's an idea!!
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What's the big deal about a little open book exam. Its not a pass or fail exam its more like a review of current changes in the rules for competition. More like a refresher course. Of course your not going to get everybody to score the same that's not the objective just looking for better consistency. Personally the judges that take the exam should be rewarded for coming forward and self testing.
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That open book test is not a bad idea. It would help separate the "want to know mores" from the "know it alls been here done this" attitude people. Here in Texas I see pretty much see the same judges each year. All displaying competent judging skills and knowledge. More than one judge keeps the rules and regs observed. I was a judge in Pittsburgh in the throwline event. The responsible people made sure I knew the rules and that I took it all serious. It was my first time to judge so they put me at what I know now as a newbee slot, to gain experience. There were three judges and we all had rule books. The open book is something I would be willing to do the day before the event. BUT work needs to pick up before I could do any extra/fun activities. It's all work and no play for now. Have to make up for 2009. There was no shortage of judges in Hawaii... ALOHA
What's the big deal about a little open book exam. Its not a pass or fail exam its more like a review of current changes in the rules for competition. More like a refresher course. Of course your not going to get everybody to score the same that's not the objective just looking for better consistency. Personally the judges that take the exam should be rewarded for coming forward and self testing.
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That open book test is not a bad idea. It would help separate the "want to know mores" from the "know it alls been here done this" attitude people. Here in Texas I see pretty much see the same judges each year. All displaying competent judging skills and knowledge. More than one judge keeps the rules and regs observed. I was a judge in Pittsburgh in the throwline event. The responsible people made sure I knew the rules and that I took it all serious. It was my first time to judge so they put me at what I know now as a newbee slot, to gain experience. There were three judges and we all had rule books. The open book is something I would be willing to do the day before the event. BUT work needs to pick up before I could do any extra/fun activities. It's all work and no play for now. Have to make up for 2009. There was no shortage of judges in Hawaii... ALOHA
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Good thread!
This has always been an issue in local and int. competitions. We have all seen an imperfect system one time or another, however, how, when, and where do we educate the volunteer/ non-progressive climbing old school judges on what the rules, standards, and new techniques/ gear/lines are? By the same token some of us volunteers are not allowed to judge acquaintances or friends, while others are. At this point, yes, favoritism and politics do come into play... Humans are not perfect and we can do our best to create a better standard in everything which is an ongoing process that has gotten much better every year. Patience, understanding and continual involvement/ education is the key! Keep the faith and passion!!!!
Stay tied in,
X-man
This has always been an issue in local and int. competitions. We have all seen an imperfect system one time or another, however, how, when, and where do we educate the volunteer/ non-progressive climbing old school judges on what the rules, standards, and new techniques/ gear/lines are? By the same token some of us volunteers are not allowed to judge acquaintances or friends, while others are. At this point, yes, favoritism and politics do come into play... Humans are not perfect and we can do our best to create a better standard in everything which is an ongoing process that has gotten much better every year. Patience, understanding and continual involvement/ education is the key! Keep the faith and passion!!!!
Stay tied in,
X-man
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