CMI ProKnot Usage?

Tobe, patiently awaiting a reply.
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RopeShield,

Is this your "invention?" You seem to know things even CMI doesn't about the tools intended function. If so, I meant no disrespect about your steel throw weight or other tools I personally view as dangerous (as i voiced to the Treepedo rep at a past trade show).

Attached are instructions that come with Pro-not;

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Just revisited this. Haven't got one yet and wondering if any one is using the ProKnot?

Alls well I respect your opinion but I am hoping you could expand on the dangerous bit for both tools.
Confusing misuse and danger? BigShot, Proknot,RopeArmor or any tool can be considerd dangerous when misused but are completely safe with proper training and instruction. True?
Our throw weight is much more than just that as well as being made up of many other materials. Treepedo/RopeArmor is Aluminium, Stainless Steel, Vinyl with rubber or Foam with rubber.
Please do not forget the foam protective sleeve as providing the most impact dampening of any throw weight on the market. Safer by design and material.
Proknot, RopeKnight has been presented as a solution to meet a problem(s). And is deserving of more than a simple "its dangerous" because hard working men and women have put time and energy into providing a solution and our deserving of greater effort.

Innovation is to be embraced because what doesn't work for one will work for another or morphs into something different with another application or at a minimum becomes an inspiration for another enterprising individual.
Hope any one reading this does not give up on their solutions but will be inspired to go forth with a confidence and knowledge that we are here to thoughfully consider your solution presented.
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Cheers
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Bump

Bump the sound of a foam sleeved RopeKnight or

BANG! the sound of a throw ball

I sense a throw ball throw down.
Throw ball versus RopeKnight. What do you say. Mister "I personally view it as dangerous"

Care to substantiate your view for your fellow buzzers?
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Tobe, patiently awaiting a reply.
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RopeShield,

Is this your "invention?" You seem to know things even CMI doesn't about the tools intended function. If so, I meant no disrespect about your steel throw weight or other tools I personally view as dangerous (as i voiced to the Treepedo rep at a past trade show).

Attached are instructions that come with Pro-not;

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Just revisited this. Haven't got one yet and wondering if any one is using the ProKnot?

Alls well I respect your opinion but I am hoping you could expand on the dangerous bit for both tools.
Confusing misuse and danger? BigShot, Proknot,RopeArmor or any tool can be considerd dangerous when misused but are completely safe with proper training and instruction. True?
Our throw weight is much more than just that as well as being made up of many other materials. Treepedo/RopeArmor is Aluminium, Stainless Steel, Vinyl with rubber or Foam with rubber.
Please do not forget the foam protective sleeve as providing the most impact dampening of any throw weight on the market. Safer by design and material.
Proknot, RopeKnight has been presented as a solution to meet a problem(s). And is deserving of more than a simple "its dangerous" because hard working men and women have put time and energy into providing a solution and our deserving of greater effort.

Innovation is to be embraced because what doesn't work for one will work for another or morphs into something different with another application or at a minimum becomes an inspiration for another enterprising individual.
Hope any one reading this does not give up on their solutions but will be inspired to go forth with a confidence and knowledge that we are here to thoughfully consider your solution presented.
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Cheers
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I think the pro knot would be an excellent tool for light rigging, when the loads have no shock load but obviously not for blocking down. Especially if you use half hitches before your bowline, 1 or 2 half hitches followed by the pro knot would be great.

As for the ropeknight throw weight, one of my favorite throw weights is my 12oz snapper sinker. In the big shot it is unreal and virtually never gets stuck but must also be used in the right enviroment.

Sometimes it seems alot of people on these forums ONLY want the fool proof way out where little to no thought is needed everything has it's place and correct way to be used. So why focus on what a tool can't do and look at ways the tool can work
 
I certainly concur that a lot of tools pose danger in an environment where young men are managing and working beneath heavy wood. I've even recall an injury with a leaf rake!

Having worked with and among others trying to attain high branches using throw weights i can attest to the risk in being struck by a soft, shot-weighted throw bag or the like. I personally have witnessed cracked helmets, dented cars and nasty bruises from these semi-soft projectiles. Accidents happen.

It remains my personal opinion (for what that might be worth), that selling to the general public (many of whom are highly skilled arborists) a throw weight that is made of solid steel and shaped on both ends like a bullet is bordering on irresponsible. It seems that many of my competitors feel the same way. However, this opinion is dampened when considering the "foam encasement option" but unfortunately that converts the torpedo into the look and aerodynamic qualities of a Nerf football.

Thomas, you implied in an email that such an opinion by me might stifle innovation and then asked in a pm how many naysayers tried to block my Big Shot. To the latter, none that i recall, the Bigshot was an immediate success and continues to serve the high access community well and without issue. As for stiffling innovation, no opinion by me (or anyone i can think of) can stiffle good tools or improvements thereof. If i were you i might try to market your device as purely a throwline management device (for threading already placed lines into preferred crotches and the like) and with explicite instruction not to throw or otherwise launch the product above one's head.

I sincerely wish you and other inventive minds all the best.
 
Tobe, you talk of the dangers of overhead. We have mitigated the dangers of throwing over head, retrieving over head and actually made it safer than any throw weight on the market to use over head including isolating tips and positioning ropes plus others.
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Plus we are the first to make a throw weight you can use and clearly see in the dark. RopeKnight "lightning". How cool is that?

You knowledge of the RopeArmor solution is slightly deficient. I will resend all the pertinent info again and if you would like to schedule a personal demonstration, what do you say?
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My wife has a good childhood friend not far from you she has missed for many years.

You say "Borderline irresponsible?" Please clarify.
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You say Tobe "it is made of solid steel."
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You you were given a RopeKnight.
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Aluminum, Stainless Steel Soft Rubber, Foam and Vinyl
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Your competitors are showcasing RopeArmor. Why? Because it works.
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What is your point about the foam protective sleeve? Are you trying to say the conical shape is not the most effecient for flight or movement through and past obstacles including trees, air land and sea? Science says it is.

Thank you for your encouragement and seeing the advantages of the RopeShield. That is it in a nut shell right there. Tobe you see that it works as a transition smooth over from throw line to access rope. Exactly why it is applied to the RopeKnight so what can help with transitioning can also help with retrieval and TIP isolation as a throw weight.

My intent is to share with Arbclimbers all over the world a solution that they can and many are profiting from.
Honestly many of your clients will appreciate the thought that has gone into it.
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Really enjoying it at the block, easy on and off and adjustable
needs a fairlead if it is going to be loaded hard, Xring worked fine,
cam damage to rope on 12strand hollow braid dyneema loaded to approximately 5 000lbs static=negligible.
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Update for anyone interested..
Proknot! use it, abuse it, love it. Within its capabilities of course
Good tool when smartly used.
2/3/4 wraps to anchor my Belay spool or block
Tradition rope grab
Solid braid or hollow braid or kernmantle ropes without issue.
 
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