climbers that take small pieces all the time?

Great points made all around.

"Climb high and cut small" is normal life for those of us who have worked mainly in tightly confined spaces on medium sized trees. Sure, you could rig but it doesn't buy you much.
If it's just a confidence thing, then adding a pull rope can help a lot and makes sense where something could possibly go sideways with a poor cut. That's what I do on bigger stuff, mainly tops, where there is a possibility of failure in a bad direction. It's a few extra minutes for some added advantage.
I don't worry about myself too much but I do worry a bit about dropping $hit on houses and such. Whatever I can do to lessen that possibility, however remote the possibility seems always boosts confidence.
 
I agree with FS. Josh lend the dude the book, knowledge is to be passed on bro. One thing I have always marvelled about the written word is how much it can be shared. Also correct me if I am wrong but wasn't it the X who passed that book to you. This might be a cliche but you can't keep what you have unless you give it away.
 
Tell him this ," If my daughters weren't in school today , they would cut that piece for you " but don't say that because it's feminist . How's this one ," Harvey Milk cut out bigger pieces" but don't say that because it's homophobic . Let's see , try this one... Size matters , big hands , big feet big mistake , or small saw , small limb , small paycheck , Big mistalke . Seriously , just yell at the person , he'll get it , call him every name in the book . Even names he never heard before . When he's done , as soon as he gets on the ground , Kick him . Don't stop until the homeowner gets involved . Than pick up all the little pieces he cut , and throw them at him while he's running for his truck . If that doesn't work , follow him home and tell his lover that he let you down too , and small and soft just isn't gonna work . Or .....
 
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Tell him this ," If my daughters weren't in school today , they would cut that piece for you " but don't say that because it's feminist . How's this one ," Harvey Milk cut out bigger pieces" but don't say that because it's homophobic . Let's see , try this one... Size matters , big hands , big feet big mistake , or small saw , small limb , small paycheck , Big mistalke . Seriously , just yell at the person , he'll get it , call him every name in the book . Even names he never heard before . When he's done , as soon as he gets on the ground , Kick him . Don't stop until the homeowner gets involved . Than pick up all the little pieces he cut , and throw them at him while he's running for his truck . If that doesn't work , follow him home and tell his lover that he let you down too , and small and soft just isn't gonna work . Or .....

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I laughed so hard I peed a little!
 
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Tell him this ," If my daughters weren't in school today , they would cut that piece for you " but don't say that because it's feminist . How's this one ," Harvey Milk cut out bigger pieces" but don't say that because it's homophobic . Let's see , try this one... Size matters , big hands , big feet big mistake , or small saw , small limb , small paycheck , Big mistalke . Seriously , just yell at the person , he'll get it , call him every name in the book . Even names he never heard before . When he's done , as soon as he gets on the ground , Kick him . Don't stop until the homeowner gets involved . Than pick up all the little pieces he cut , and throw them at him while he's running for his truck . If that doesn't work , follow him home and tell his lover that he let you down too , and small and soft just isn't gonna work . Or .....

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I laughed so hard I peed a little!

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that's what happens especially to women as they get older, WTH? Must be a Canadian thing to say?

Riggs, I liked the contribution to the thread as well, but I didn't pee my panties.
 
since part of your reasoning is to make the wood millable i will assume we are talking about biggish wood.

'too small' im guessing is approx. 3' sections.

but 8' seems pretty large to me.

most of the pieces i have seen of biggish wood (even being bombed) is around 5'-6' lengths.

i would appreciate any feedback as to anyone else's comparisons to these lengths and if others find the same to be true.

thanks!
 
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since part of your reasoning is to make the wood millable i will assume we are talking about biggish wood.

'too small' im guessing is approx. 3' sections.

but 8' seems pretty large to me.

most of the pieces i have seen of biggish wood (even being bombed) is around 5'-6' lengths.

i would appreciate any feedback as to anyone else's comparisons to these lengths and if others find the same to be true.

thanks!

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yes that is exactly the point im making!(at least someone gets it) if the wood is not 8 feet then its not mill-able for profit.
when you have the wide open drop zone and here in the islands its rare that yard damage is an issue for properties with large yards, why not drop huge 8 foot pieces?
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since part of your reasoning is to make the wood millable i will assume we are talking about biggish wood.
'too small' im guessing is approx. 3' sections.
but 8' seems pretty large to me.
most of the pieces i have seen of biggish wood (even being bombed) is around 5'-6' lengths.
i would appreciate any feedback as to anyone else's comparisons to these lengths and if others find the same to be true.
thanks!

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yes that is exactly the point im making!(at least someone gets it) if the wood is not 8 feet then its not mill-able for profit.
when you have the wide open drop zone and here in the islands its rare that yard damage is an issue for properties with large yards, why not drop huge 8 foot pieces?
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Im glad someone gets it, cause I think you are missing it. In one post you are complaining about the chipping small pieces quickly the next about wood to be milled.

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his excuse is that it "makes the ground crew work faster"("more manageable pieces") but we have to constantly remind him that the ground crew also has the job to cut up anything that wont be able to be moved by hand to the chipper.

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GoodPreditor is right, i think 5-6' is a good standard size falling from most trees. I would go as far to say 4-6' is my normal, but I will firewood it if I think its needed. Dont get me wrong I always take advice, suggestions and ideas from the ground but ultimately its MY decision. Why??? Because Im there you're not and its my a$$ on the line if something goes bad.
Swing is right I think, someone passed that knowledge onto you, pay it forward. Also thinking back to old threads (I may be wrong) but you dont have much more time climbing then the guy you are complaining about.
I dont think I would use Riggs method, either you will get an angry climber or he will kick your a$$.
 
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perfect his falling technique on the ground... that'll help..

then he can start doing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNV5gnZpMSo

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Daniel, why did you cut so far below the hinge/bore cut on the first tree?

And was there a purpose for leaving the strap so wide? Looks like you just bore to set the hinge. Easier to cut forward with the backcut rather than backward with the plunge cut?
 
I hit metal on the bore cut after the hinge was set.. figured at that height it could be an old light hanger or something bid like that, so I tried to go as far down as I could without hanging up...

not sure what your second question means?????
 
It looks like you bored in to set the hinge, then pulled the saw out and made the backcut. Normally I would bore in behind the notch, set the hinge, then either

1) cut away from the notch/hinge (towards the house in your situation), and cut all the way out, or

2) cut away from the notch/hinge but stop before cutting all the way out. This would leave a smaller uncut piece (the 'strap') than you did by just boring to set the hinge.

All that being said, I would guess it's because you hit metal on the bore cut and had to adjust.
 
Alright cool.

I think there has been a lot of good advice here.

My original point was that for someone going from too small (3') to what you need (+8') is a very big step, considering most people are working with something in between.

But I agree it is certainly doable especially with yards like that. I just think it might be asking too much to push a young climber to make that leap before he feels comfortable. A gradual increase would be helpful, it wouldn't have to take years to get him up to +8', might even be a few weeks. A tag line would be essential at first... there's that story i read in the awakenings section a long time ago about someone pushing over a really long piece and the bottom pushed out and the top came back at him. I will remember that story forever, thank you treebuzz, for real.

and yeah, felling from the ground, getting the feel of cutting big wood, seeing different hinges and reactions and such helped me a lot before doing it at height.

but as you said, he is experienced. You also said his excuse is that it makes the ground crew work faster. I don't know the situation over with regards to owner/boss etc. but it might not be his concern whether the ground crew works fast or slow. A polite convo with him trying to determine if it really is just an excuse might reveal the real reason.

if that is the real reason he takes small pieces, i'm sure he will find out really quickly that a boss with an expensive toy will find someone to do the job that helps pay for it. If he wants to be that person he's gonna need to bring what is called for. it's all about choices isn't it.
 
I'm a believer in the old " Days of thunder " quote; we'll run 50 laps however you want then 50 laps my way, and if you give me an honest run I'll beat you." Time or at least try both your way and the young guys way and it's a... Can't think of the word... Different way of getting the point across or showing that your way is going to be faster/ easier/safer without, I guess belittling the "kid". Be prepared though, you might find that the crew he works with likes being able to work steadily with pieces comming down they can handle right away instead of working in sprints, cut up, race to get debris out of the way then wait for the next one, I know most of our crews work that way. And the mutual respect each other shows for the others difficult job.
Example, bucket operator cutting and chucking a tree down taking the time and a little more effort to throw as many of he pieces in the same place as close to the chipper with the buts facing the same way. Groundies love her/him for making their job a little easier, groundies aren't bagged so they work faster and bucket op loves them because they make her/him look good.
Back to the original post, however you approach the subject of size, with this youngster, do it in a way that doesn't hamper their creative problem solving, last thing you want is a black and white climber in a grey industry.
 
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since part of your reasoning is to make the wood millable i will assume we are talking about biggish wood.

'too small' im guessing is approx. 3' sections.

but 8' seems pretty large to me.

most of the pieces i have seen of biggish wood (even being bombed) is around 5'-6' lengths.

i would appreciate any feedback as to anyone else's comparisons to these lengths and if others find the same to be true.

thanks!

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yes that is exactly the point im making!(at least someone gets it) if the wood is not 8 feet then its not mill-able for profit.
when you have the wide open drop zone and here in the islands its rare that yard damage is an issue for properties with large yards, why not drop huge 8 foot pieces?
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Why don't you show him how to drop 8' sections? Let him see how its done.
 
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