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I've always enjoyed fresh cider. A close friend of mine has an old hand powered press, and gets all the "drops" from a local, high production orchard delivered right to his doorstep. He hosts an annual press day in the Fall, and all kinds of great people come to make it all happen. I can usually leave with 2 our 3 gallons which we freeze and break open mid-winter. There's nothing like it on earth.

When a good friend came to visit recently, a few sample of hard cider came as well. We sipped a bit a talked/speculated on the history of hard cider. It's interesting that the traits of specific fruit aren't carried forth in the seeds within, making scions important for replicating certain flavors. There's some really interesting information to be found on the Johnny Appleseed Wiki page. The great Mr. Chapman was apparently planting trees, not for edible fruit, but for drinkable fruit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Appleseed

Cider obviously holds a significant place in our nation's history, and it seems there's a recent revival in crafted ciders. I wanted to share a few I've tried recently;

Citizen Cider, 'The Dirty Mayor'

Fatty Bampkins, 'Dry'

Shelburne Orchards, 'Ginger Jack' (non-alcoholic)
 
I love good cider.

Using fruit from my own trees, one year I put up 300 Gal.
Put it in a large horizontal freezer.
It was great for years !

That same year I put up 30 Gal. of grape juice.

The Cider was much better.

Cheers !
 
Never tried cider ? Niether fresh or hard ?

Try even grocery store brand. Try it both cold & warm.

per your bio: Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Piano

Isn’t the piano a little tough with fat fingers after a match ? :-)
 
Ha ha.
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There are many famous fat-fingered pianists in history. But no, jiu jitsu is not typically rough on the fingers. It's the other joints ya gotta watch out for. You can certainly hurt your hand with a misplaced strike though. So far so good.
 
Not to de-rail, but back in the late '60's-early '70's while playing Minna Jiu Jitsu I had several dislocated/broken fingers w/ grabs, pulls, and throws.

Back then we wore Judo or Karate Gi's. Fingers got tangled.

Try some cider. Some folks like a little cinnamon (but not me.)

Chow !
 
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I love good cider.

Using fruit from my own trees, one year I put up 300 Gal.
Put it in a large horizontal freezer.
It was great for years !

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300 Gallons?!?! Holy WOW! You must have an orchard to reckon with. That's like $1,500 worth. That takes sweet to an entirely different level.

Logic, if you're into Ale, try a cider that's particularly dry. It seems like some people try mass produced cider and turn right away because it's so sweet. Citizen Cider makes a dry hopped cider along with a bunch of other nice blends. Maybe the dry style is considered more of an Olde English Style? I dunno... Willingness to experiment for a bit may be required.
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Bet that you guys wore a Gi all the time. I could see it happening a lot easier that way. I practice mostly with "no Gi", though we train both.

OK, back on track...
Come to think of it I've tried some hot apple cider before. Good stuff, but probably nothing compared to the fresh stuff y'all have. I'm more interested in trying some hard cider though.

Edit: totally missed where you said you wore Gi's. Duh. That makes sense then. Much easier to get a finger tangled. Judo is the bomb too.
 
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300 Gallons?!?! Holy WOW! You must have an orchard to reckon with. That's like $1,500 worth. That takes sweet to an entirely different level.


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At the time a had a 1 acre lot w/ 35 abandoned fruit trees.
Over 3-4 years I pruned & brought them back.
WOW fruit trees are a LOT of work & $$$.

Pruning every year, then when you spray presticide (which you must), if it rains, you must respray, if it rains again .....................

Chow. Enjoy some cider.
 
I'm definitely enjoying this revival of hard cider. The Citizen Cider brand is good, they just made available a 4-pack of pint cans for $12, which is an awesome deal. The Crispin and Fox Barrel brands are also good for an everyday drinker, but I'm not sure where they're produced. I like a dry cider, and the Citizen's brand has a great balance.

For valentines day, my fiance and I wanted to try an apple champagne. We found one called Le Pere Jules, produced in Normandy. Abso-fkn-lutely delicious and worth every bit of the $14 we paid for the bottle. Very dry and very full of deep flavor.

My Dad has been pressing fresh cider since the early 80's in VT, this past season I had my first go at fermenting. I was trying for carbonated cider but ended up with a decent dry apple wine. Very drinkable :)

For anyone interested in pursuing the craft, I've found the Wittenham Hill Cider page to be extremely helpful. Lots of knowledge there.

http://www.cider.org.uk/frameset.htm

We have about 30-40 trees and, yes, it's a lot of work with the pruning and spraying. Of the dozen or so varieties we have only a couple are suitable for hard cider. Those being Spigold and Mutsu (or crispin). If anyone wants to swap some scion material let me know, I would like to expand our cider varieties.

It is very interesting that ol' Johnny Appleseed was planting trees to produce alcohol, not for fresh fruit. Apples for fresh eating weren't commonplace until after the temperence movement, I don't think. It's a shame that so many cider varieties were lost. I remember reading somewhere that settlers were required to plant a certain number of apple trees to indicate that they were going to stay on the land they were given, and another statistic that stated the number of apple trees a homestead needed to supply a family for a year. For booze of course, not applesauce ;)

Holy crap I've typed a lot! This is what happens when you get me started talking about cider.
 
This year I did 10 gallons. Last year I made 5. I can not imagine doing 300 gallons, that's just crazy, I imagine a full week of pressing. Both years were a bring your own apples cider press party. My tastes are not as refined, and I'm just beginning to learn, as were all of the members of the pressing parties. Last year the friend that was helping me took off traveling on a whim, right when the cider was finishing up. I just kept feeding the yeast sugar and and honey, that was some damn strong stuff. This year I added some molasses, and I'm happy how it turned out.

What spices/flavors do you guys add to your cider? Any one try apple jack?
 
Mr. B, nice post. Hearing you and Greg discussing the spraying, It reminds me of some interesting information I picked up a few years ago at a NOFA conference. I don't mean to derail here, but it's sort of relevant...

The speaker had traveled to a fruit forest in Kazakhstan. He claimed the climate rather mimicked the North East US. The habitat was loaded with more species of plants than you could shake a stick at. No one had ever pruned or sprayed any of the trees there, and the overall health was thought to be in check due to the variety. The thought is that the soil food web is healthy, and disease may be present, but held in check from natures balance. Perhaps nature's evidence of monoculture as a recipe for failure.

http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/2961/

I copied the GPS coordinates he posted regarding the location of a particular tree, the fruit of which apparently tastes like lemon candy. Maybe one day, I too can visit that tree...if it's still there...

Cider. Semi-derail over...
 
I never cared for the mass produced stuff like redds apple ale or angry orchard, but my 2 favorites are Mckenzies hard ciders bottled in NY state and Hornsbys Cider from Wisconsin. Go to your local store and ask for it... its some awesome stuff. And for a little extra kick, an added shot of cinnamon whiskey poured in gives a little extra spike as well as the classic all american flavor of cinnamon-apples.

-Steven
 
I have recently been trying cider ale and really enjoy the lack of any bitter aftertaste. A good dry cider is Strong Bow which can be purchased locally.
 
Steve, I like that cinnamon idea. Reminds me of following a swig of chocolate stout with a dab of Chartreuse. There's nothing like it.

Sounds like a lot of good suggestions for brands are coming out here. Thanks guys! I can add them to my cue. I actually have a J.K.'s Scrumpy on deck. Where do they get these names?!
 
I've also had JK's brand, very good stuff. I think scrumpy is an English slang term for hard cider, maybe referring to a less refined farmhouse type.

Kazakhstan would be a sweet place to visit, I've watched Michael Pollan's Botany of Desire documentary on netflix. Very cool stuff. I could spend a lot of time in a fruit forest in the fall. It would be a great thing for the naturally regulating forest ecology to be considered "traditional" agriculture but unfortunately it is not. I think the permaculture movement is the closest thing we have in western society.
 
Crispin from NC is good. Citizen is my favorite. They make a couple dry hopped flavors for you beer lovers. Also a bourbon barrel aged one, that's pretty baller. Strongbow is really good too. Stella just came out with one that's surprisingly good. DONT BUY WOODCHUCK. Comes from VT but it's total crap.

The one oceans mentioned, the dirty mayor. Is possibly the best cider ever. And the citizen unified press in cans is even better than the bombers.

Basically anything from the UK is gonna be quality. They've been making it consistently, while we slacked off for a long time. It's coming back strong.
 
Cool! We harvested a pickup worth of apples actual John Appleseed artificial tree supposedly and took them to our local brewery. We split the apples and they brewed em up. We got four half kegs of cider out of it. Those coming to the SRT workshop march 1st and 2cnd here can taste it!'
 

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